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Noddy555 wrote:Come off it hot_charlie you must have a short memory his kicking had gone to pot and his kicking from hand was becoming predictable. He had lost his international place in 2010/2011. His heart wasn't in the club and that was obvious in the place where it matters out on the field. Ford had been better than him for at least a season and at that stage was only 23 at least 5 and a half years junior to flood. He was fitter, energised and more enthusiastic than Toby.
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Don't agree. Ford was clearly a great talent but at that stage of his career, still learning and not as good as Toby.
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Noddy555 wrote:Ford had been better than him for at least a season and at that stage was only 23 at least 5 and a half years junior to flood. He was fitter, energised and more enthusiastic than Toby.
:smt017 I thought George ford was only 23 now (nearly 24), in his last season for us he was 19/20.
Noddy555 wrote:Come off it hot_charlie you must have a short memory his kicking had gone to pot and his kicking from hand was becoming predictable.
I don't think Flood's kicking game had 'gone to pot', it could have been better and had been better. Ford was hardly perfect, there were matches when you could have put the ball in front of the posts and he would have missed the place kick - his place kicking was predictable, his kicking from hand could be good but also went awry back then, as it does now, as it does sometimes for all who kick.
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Noddy555 wrote:Come off it hot_charlie you must have a short memory his kicking had gone to pot and his kicking from hand was becoming predictable. He had lost his international place in 2010/2011. His heart wasn't in the club and that was obvious in the place where it matters out on the field. Ford had been better than him for at least a season and at that stage was only 23 at least 5 and a half years junior to flood. He was fitter, energised and more enthusiastic than Toby.
I'd suggest at the time that Richard Cockerill and the other coaching staff may have been inclined to agree with me. We saw glimpses of Ford's potential (Dan Bowden's try v Sarries) but his place kicking was below average to say the least.
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Noddy555 wrote:Come off it hot_charlie you must have a short memory his kicking had gone to pot and his kicking from hand was becoming predictable. He had lost his international place in 2010/2011. His heart wasn't in the club and that was obvious in the place where it matters out on the field. Ford had been better than him for at least a season and at that stage was only 23 at least 5 and a half years junior to flood. He was fitter, energised and more enthusiastic than Toby.
Ford left when he was 20. Flood was 29/30? Ford was quickly catching him and there was a natural progression that would see him overtake Flood by the end of the following season as Flood moved to Tolouse.

Unfortunately it didn't work out like that which was a shame as being able to deploy Floody at 12 to kick the points whilst Ford pulled the strings at 10 would have been good.
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Noddy555 wrote:Come off it hot_charlie you must have a short memory his kicking had gone to pot and his kicking from hand was becoming predictable. He had lost his international place in 2010/2011. His heart wasn't in the club and that was obvious in the place where it matters out on the field. Ford had been better than him for at least a season and at that stage was only 23 at least 5 and a half years junior to flood. He was fitter, energised and more enthusiastic than Toby.
Toby's heart was in Leicester but wasn't in England, George's heart wasn't in Leicester but was in England.
How it got on to the Ford saga I don't know but every topic eventually seems to make it's way there!
I don't think the Thacker thing is quite the same as the Ford one as Thacker simply isn't anywhere near as good as Ford was in his position.
The only similarities are that both want more game time above a better player at the time whilst serious weakness still exist in their game, Ford with his goal kicking and Thacker with physical contact.
Interestingly and a debate for another day I don't know how Leicester might expect to get away with Thacker at 7 in the future if they have Ford at 10 because I'd be expecting the 7 to often provide some physical cover for George in defence.
Thacker is a 2 but just needs to accept his place currently which is 3rd choice at a club aspiring to compete with the best teams in Europe, if he wants to be 1st choice then work hard to improve like we are told top players do instead of making suggestive contractual playing requests!
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BFG wrote:
Noddy555 wrote:Come off it hot_charlie you must have a short memory his kicking had gone to pot and his kicking from hand was becoming predictable. He had lost his international place in 2010/2011. His heart wasn't in the club and that was obvious in the place where it matters out on the field. Ford had been better than him for at least a season and at that stage was only 23 at least 5 and a half years junior to flood. He was fitter, energised and more enthusiastic than Toby.
Toby's heart was in Leicester but wasn't in England, George's heart wasn't in Leicester but was in England.
How it got on to the Ford saga I don't know but every topic eventually seems to make it's way there!
I don't think the Thacker thing is quite the same as the Ford one as Thacker simply isn't anywhere near as good as Ford was in his position.
The only similarities are that both want more game time above a better player at the time whilst serious weakness still exist in their game, Ford with his goal kicking and Thacker with physical contact.
Interestingly and a debate for another day I don't know how Leicester might expect to get away with Thacker at 7 in the future if they have Ford at 10 because I'd be expecting the 7 to often provide some physical cover for George in defence.
Thacker is a 2 but just needs to accept his place currently which is 3rd choice at a club aspiring to compete with the best teams in Europe, if he wants to be 1st choice then work hard to improve like we are told top players do instead of making suggestive contractual playing requests!
Harry is more second choice judging by selection in the last couple of months. McGuigan really needs to improve his lineout work.

Thacker is not a standard player, some coaches will see an explosive but diminutive player and look to maximise that explosive impact which is so hard to find others will decide to opt for an easy option and sign a solid lump. Thacker knows this and it's sensible for him to wait until the DOR is confirmed so that he knows where he stands. It'll be awful for his career if he's abandoned to the A league for two seasons because the new DOR isn't interested in developing him.
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sam16111986 wrote: Ford left when he was 20. Flood was 29/30? Ford was quickly catching him and there was a natural progression that would see him overtake Flood by the end of the following season as Flood moved to Tolouse.
28, so 27 in Ford's last season at Leicester.

Look at it this way, how stupid would it have looked if Ford hadn't developed; arguably in some areas he is still a little flakey even now. How many stellar 20 year olds actually push on to greatness?
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Hot_Charlie wrote:
sam16111986 wrote: Ford left when he was 20. Flood was 29/30? Ford was quickly catching him and there was a natural progression that would see him overtake Flood by the end of the following season as Flood moved to Tolouse.
28, so 27 in Ford's last season at Leicester.

Look at it this way, how stupid would it have looked if Ford hadn't developed; arguably in some areas he is still a little flakey even now. How many stellar 20 year olds actually push on to greatness?
There's never any certainty with player development. Some very talented 20 year olds are at their peak at 20 and don't develop any further(Everard, Cornwall) and some then develop later (Twelvetrees).

Ford was always miles ahead of other players his age. He played for England under 18s at 15 and for Tigers at 16/17 being a regular fixture in the A league and LV. He never has nailed down his kicking off the tee though.

It would have been nice to have had the luxury of Flood and Ford for another season but we did pretty well nabbing Owen Williams.
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More 'silly season' stuff from The Ruck:

"Leicester Tigers could be set to try and dump Matt Toomua and Manu Tuilagi as part of a clear out and will look to sign England centre Ben Te’o from Worcester Warriors. This would also free up salary cap to secure the signing of George Ford."
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...and from AM yesterday after the win, according to Sky:

Mauger appeared to pour cold water on reports that fly-half Freddie Burns could leave after suggestions that Bath's George Ford might return to Welford Road.

He said: "He (Burns) is totally committed to us, which is awesome. He is a great character and we love him."


I suspect he actually meant 'He (Burns) is totally committed to us this season...'
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Noddy555 wrote:Come off it hot_charlie you must have a short memory his kicking had gone to pot and his kicking from hand was becoming predictable. He had lost his international place in 2010/2011. His heart wasn't in the club and that was obvious in the place where it matters out on the field. Ford had been better than him for at least a season and at that stage was only 23 at least 5 and a half years junior to flood. He was fitter, energised and more enthusiastic than Toby.
87 Kicks in his last season with us, Since then the most a kicker has got is 70, how can you say his heart wasnt in the club , did he tell you that
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Noddy555 wrote:Come off it hot_charlie you must have a short memory his kicking had gone to pot and his kicking from hand was becoming predictable. He had lost his international place in 2010/2011. His heart wasn't in the club and that was obvious in the place where it matters out on the field. Ford had been better than him for at least a season and at that stage was only 23 at least 5 and a half years junior to flood. He was fitter, energised and more enthusiastic than Toby.
And was consistent in his inconsistency, too, he was very much a 40 minute wonder at the time with poor place kicking. Also, Flood did have a run of bench-sitting when off-form.
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Cryptic message from Freddie Burns on here, seems to suggest he may be on his way out
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MJSRacer wrote:Cryptic message from Freddie Burns on here, seems to suggest he may be on his way out
Here? where?

Do you mean this?:

"Life is too short to wake up in the morning with regrets. So love the people who treat you right, forget about the ones who don't and believe that everything happens for a reason. If you get a chance, take it. If it changes your life, let it. Nobody said that it would be easy, they just promised it would be worth it"

FB posted this on his Instagram account - found via Twitter.
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MJSRacer wrote:Cryptic message from Freddie Burns on here, seems to suggest he may be on his way out
"Life is too short to wake up in the morning with regrets. So love the people who treat you right, forget about the ones who don't and believe that everything happens for a reason. If you get a chance, take it. If it changes your life, let it. Nobody said that it would be easy, they just promised it would be worth it" It's by Harvey MacKay - Life & Business Coach

I'm not sure it tells me whether he's staying or going!
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