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Re: Does Cockers get the boot if we get smashed again this w

Post by Dr H Flashman MBE » Sun Oct 23, 2016 1:22 pm

mol2 wrote:Changing plans and coaches mid season is not great but if you wait until the season is over you risk not giving a new set up time to sign the key players they might want and have whole pre season to blend the side.

Lose at home today and Europe is over and after the size of last week's defeat, winning all of our home games alone won't be enough, especially as Glasgow was probably the best chance of an away win for us and the other sides in our group. Munster perhaps but they looked better than last season although their last game may have been hard to judge after the loss of their coach in the circumstances.

I would love to proved wrong but I fear that is only marginally more likely than the Earth being flat!
If we are going to change coach make it at end of season. Square recruitment away then. I am gutted just as much as everyone in here about the spanking we took at the weekend, and I was wrong in thinking cockers should have been sacked after Friday. Knee jerk reaction to our loss. All new coaches will want to bring their own staff and players, that is costly. New coaches means a new philosophy and game plan. Would people accept a season of transition without top 4 or even Europe? We are used to being in the semi final, not sure what the reaction would be if that were not to happen.
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Re: Does Cockers get the boot if we get smashed again this w

Post by mol2 » Sun Oct 23, 2016 3:24 pm

Last season was supposed to be the season of transition!

Last weakened was simply more of what we had seen in the games this season (and for that matter the warm ups) just the level of opposition was a bit better.

Our ability to defend has been woeful and even in the games we have won we have gifted soft tries that would have not gone down well in a schoolboy match and our defence was pathetic.
Beating Bath at home did not mean we had suddenly become a good side. Even in that game we gave away some very basic tries.

If this is a transitional season too then I fear the transition is from top of the table outfit to mid table mediocrity.

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Re: Does Cockers get the boot if we get smashed again this w

Post by jgriffin » Sun Oct 23, 2016 9:35 pm

Think tonight's result and the way it was achieved has closed this thread for most of us.
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Re: Does Cockers get the boot if we get smashed again this w

Post by WhitecapTiger » Sun Oct 23, 2016 9:37 pm

jgriffin wrote:Think tonight's result and the way it was achieved has closed this thread for most of us.
If only......

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Re: Does Cockers get the boot if we get smashed again this w

Post by G.K » Sun Oct 23, 2016 10:18 pm

jgriffin wrote:Think tonight's result and the way it was achieved has closed this thread for most of us.
We'll see next week, away from home, on a plastic pitch, against the AP and EPRC champions - what could possibly go wrong?
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Post by Grimlish » Sun Oct 23, 2016 10:38 pm

G.K wrote:
jgriffin wrote:Think tonight's result and the way it was achieved has closed this thread for most of us.
We'll see next week, away from home, on a plastic pitch, against the AP and EPRC champions - what could possibly go wrong?
Much as the premise that Cockers should have gone after the Glasgow result was absurd the notion that an away loss at Sarries, a ground where we last won when....., would be totally unlike Tigers AND absurd.

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Re: Does Cockers get the boot if we get smashed again this w

Post by Tigerbeat » Sun Oct 23, 2016 10:41 pm

I believe that the England players will not be available for selection....is that right? Itoje and Kruis are both out injured and Ashton suspended
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Re: Does Cockers get the boot if we get smashed again this w

Post by CJ » Mon Oct 24, 2016 3:51 am

However bad we think it might or might not be, read today's Times on Saints. King gone, which leaves...

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Re: Does Cockers get the boot if we get smashed again this w

Post by jgriffin » Mon Oct 24, 2016 11:46 am

CJ wrote:However bad we think it might or might not be, read today's Times on Saints. King gone, which leaves...
Grauniad notes that Stains have become serial collapsers and really puts Mallinder/West in not very good perspective.
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Re: Does Cockers get the boot if we get smashed again this w

Post by Southerntiger » Mon Oct 24, 2016 12:05 pm

Good performance, limited attack but got the points.

No need to see if we can cut the mustard away from home.

This week is the best possible time to play Sarries with all their injuries

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Re: Does Cockers get the boot if we get smashed again this w

Post by TomWeston » Mon Oct 24, 2016 12:10 pm

Southerntiger wrote:Good performance, limited attack but got the points.

No need to see if we can cut the mustard away from home.

This week is the best possible time to play Sarries with all their injuries
Do you think we are in a better place regarding injuries/selection after yesterday?

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Re: Does Cockers get the boot if we get smashed again this w

Post by Southerntiger » Mon Oct 24, 2016 12:18 pm

TomWeston wrote:
Southerntiger wrote:Good performance, limited attack but got the points.

No need to see if we can cut the mustard away from home.

This week is the best possible time to play Sarries with all their injuries
Do you think we are in a better place regarding injuries/selection after yesterday?
We are than Sarries - no Ashton Kruis Itoje Barritt and probably Brits.

They are playing a 6 to start in the row next week

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Re: Does Cockers get the boot if we get smashed again this w

Post by Cagey Tiger » Mon Oct 24, 2016 1:09 pm

jgriffin wrote:
CJ wrote:However bad we think it might or might not be, read today's Times on Saints. King gone, which leaves...
Grauniad notes that Stains have become serial collapsers and really puts Mallinder/West in not very good perspective.
From his time at Sale and Saints, Mallingerer has shown that he is very good at getting his teams into trophy winning situations...


... and then losing. Not saying he is a bad coach, just not top notch. If you discount the second tier European trophy, what have his teams won? 1 Premiership? Think that's all.

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Re: Does Cockers get the boot if we get smashed again this w

Post by neilf » Mon Oct 24, 2016 1:17 pm

From his time at Sale and Saints, Mallingerer has shown that he is very good at getting his teams into trophy winning situations...


... and then losing. Not saying he is a bad coach, just not top notch. If you discount the second tier European trophy, what have his teams won? 1 Premiership? Think that's all.[/quote]

They won the championship to get promotion back to the premiership... Cockers has never done that !!!! :smt002

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Re: Does Cockers get the boot if we get smashed again this w

Post by Cagey Tiger » Mon Oct 24, 2016 1:36 pm

From his time at Sale and Saints, Mallingerer has shown that he is very good at getting his teams into trophy winning situations...


... and then losing. Not saying he is a bad coach, just not top notch. If you discount the second tier European trophy, what have his teams won? 1 Premiership? Think that's all.[/quote]
neilf wrote:They won the championship to get promotion back to the premiership... Cockers has never done that !!!! :smt002
I knew that if I left that out, someone would mention it :smt044 :smt023

And you forgot to say "yet". You've left room for the Cockers out brigade to have a snipe :smt018

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