Minor Law ammendments for the New Season

Forum to discuss everything that is Tigers related

Moderators: Rizzo, Tigerbeat, Tigers Press Office, Tigers Webmaster

TheRugbyRef
Tiger Cub
Posts: 35
Joined: Wed Sep 03, 2014 9:04 am
Location: Warwickshire
Contact:

Minor Law ammendments for the New Season

Post by TheRugbyRef » Thu Sep 01, 2016 10:01 am

In Summary

Law ammendments
  • A player injured as a result of foul play can now be replaced even if you have used all your replacements. This is in the same way as an already replaced player coming on for a front row to maintain contested scrums, or a blood sub.

    Referees have the option to play advantage from a collapsed scrum providing it is safe to do so.

    Diving or play acting to gain a penalty is now specifically outlawed.

    The definition of a throw forward now includes the words "if the arms of the player passing the ball move towards the opposing teams dead ball line".

    No player (not just a lineout player) may block a throw in from within the 5m line.

    A scrum must be formed within 30 seconds of the referee making the mark.

    If the ball is at the 8s feet in a scrum and the scrum is not moving forward for a reasonable amount of time (3-5 seconds) the referee will call use it and the team must use the ball "immediately".

    Wheeling a scrum legally is no longer a turnover, reset, same side put in.

    The non ball winning scrum half cannot move into the space between the flanker and the No s (stay out of the pocket).

    No kicks to be taken within 5m of the goal line.
Law application guidelines
  • In a maul the ball must be moved back hand to hand. A player cannot slide backwards within the maul.

    At a lineout to maul, the ripper must stay in contact with the jumper until the ball is transferred...no long arm transfers.

    Arriving players must not join the maul in front of the ball carrier.

Any questions please fire away.
Law 6.A.4(a) The referee is the sole judge of fact and of Law during a match.

LondonRich
Tiger Cub
Posts: 27
Joined: Fri Mar 04, 2016 11:27 am

Re: Minor Law ammendments for the New Season

Post by LondonRich » Thu Sep 01, 2016 10:18 am

Can you clarify the 'no kicks to be taken within 5m'? Is this kicks to touch from a penalty awarded 5m from the opposition try line? A line out is just awarded automatically on the 5m line?

I'll be interested to see how strictly the maul laws will be enforced.

loretta
Gold Member
Gold Member
Posts: 1090
Joined: Thu Oct 13, 2011 6:31 pm
Location: With the PFJ

Re: Minor Law ammendments for the New Season

Post by loretta » Thu Sep 01, 2016 10:24 am

LondonRich wrote:Can you clarify the 'no kicks to be taken within 5m'? Is this kicks to touch from a penalty awarded 5m from the opposition try line? A line out is just awarded automatically on the 5m line?

I'll be interested to see how strictly the maul laws will be enforced.
Would this primarily effect tap and go penalties?
All I said was ........

Qbec
Bronze Member
Bronze Member
Posts: 494
Joined: Sun Dec 18, 2005 4:06 pm
Location: Wiltshire

Re: Minor Law ammendments for the New Season

Post by Qbec » Thu Sep 01, 2016 10:57 am

I think full clarification would be helpful on the "No kicks to be taken within 5m of the goal line" because there are cases where this will create issues unless clear to players & supporters.
Tigers The Home Of World Class Rugby

10th Premiership Rugby Champions 2013

TheRugbyRef
Tiger Cub
Posts: 35
Joined: Wed Sep 03, 2014 9:04 am
Location: Warwickshire
Contact:

Re: Minor Law ammendments for the New Season

Post by TheRugbyRef » Thu Sep 01, 2016 11:00 am

LondonRich wrote:Can you clarify the 'no kicks to be taken within 5m'? Is this kicks to touch from a penalty awarded 5m from the opposition try line? A line out is just awarded automatically on the 5m line?

I'll be interested to see how strictly the maul laws will be enforced.
Prior to this amendment if an "attacking" penalty was given between the goal line and the 5m line, it was taken on the 5m line.

However if a "Defending" penalty was given between the goal line and the 5m line, it was taken at the place of the offence.

This amendment now places the mark for "all" penalties between the goal line and the 5m line, on the 5m line.

It's a small change.

Regarding the maul laws, both teams were penalised for "long arm transfers" at the Ospreys game.
Law 6.A.4(a) The referee is the sole judge of fact and of Law during a match.

Grimlish
Gold Member
Gold Member
Posts: 1016
Joined: Fri Apr 27, 2007 9:18 am
Location: Over the hill and far away

Re: Minor Law ammendments for the New Season

Post by Grimlish » Thu Sep 01, 2016 11:12 am

There was also a piece on BT Rugby Tonight on 'Law Changes' involving Wayne Barnes and Maro Itojo here. It seemed to be mostly about interpretations rather than actual law changes - and focussed on player safety when a player's head is exposed while he is on the ground and a defending player seeks to kick the ball away. Interpretation changes not Law Changes right?

TheRugbyRef
Tiger Cub
Posts: 35
Joined: Wed Sep 03, 2014 9:04 am
Location: Warwickshire
Contact:

Re: Minor Law ammendments for the New Season

Post by TheRugbyRef » Thu Sep 01, 2016 11:22 am

That's correct...sometimes called "Law Application Gudelines". All clubs will have had a similar presentation.

The one you refer to is that players will be penalised for stepping over a ruck to kick the ball away. In the past they would have been pinged for "playing the 9". In reality it is offside becasue they are not bound to anyone so are not part of the ruck, so must stay on the back foot.

We have been told that if these players make contact with the head it is a Red Card offence. Most referees already treat it this way, but it is a clarification/guideline to make sure we all referee it the same way. Striving for consistency.
Law 6.A.4(a) The referee is the sole judge of fact and of Law during a match.

Grimlish
Gold Member
Gold Member
Posts: 1016
Joined: Fri Apr 27, 2007 9:18 am
Location: Over the hill and far away

Re: Minor Law ammendments for the New Season

Post by Grimlish » Thu Sep 01, 2016 11:31 am

I wonder about these two

"Wheeling a scrum legally is no longer a turnover, reset, same side put in."

"The non ball winning scrum half cannot move into the space between the flanker and the No s (stay out of the pocket)." (I presume that's No 8)

Will S
Gold Member
Gold Member
Posts: 1531
Joined: Sun Feb 01, 2009 5:21 pm
Location: Leicester

Re: Minor Law ammendments for the New Season

Post by Will S » Thu Sep 01, 2016 11:34 am

So if a player takes a ball into contact and his next two supporting players come in to the ruck then after a second or two go to ground to secure the ball what can the defending team do?

TheRugbyRef
Tiger Cub
Posts: 35
Joined: Wed Sep 03, 2014 9:04 am
Location: Warwickshire
Contact:

Re: Minor Law ammendments for the New Season

Post by TheRugbyRef » Thu Sep 01, 2016 11:37 am

Will S wrote:So if a player takes a ball into contact and his next two supporting players come in to the ruck then after a second or two go to ground to secure the ball what can the defending team do?
Nothing, they have to stay on the back foot.

If the ruck is formed and then everyone goes to ground legally the next arriving player needs someone to bind onto, otherwise he has to stay on the back foot offside line. He can't just step over all the bodies and waggle his foot around in the vicinity of the ball.

It's similar to the old "he's ok, he came through the middle" this was an urban myth, if he comes through the middle of the ruck he isn't bound onto anyone, so isn't part of the ruck and is therefore offside.
Law 6.A.4(a) The referee is the sole judge of fact and of Law during a match.

Grimlish
Gold Member
Gold Member
Posts: 1016
Joined: Fri Apr 27, 2007 9:18 am
Location: Over the hill and far away

Re: Minor Law ammendments for the New Season

Post by Grimlish » Thu Sep 01, 2016 11:40 am

Ruck! (ie bind) or defend, but it seems they can no longer attack the ball by coming through/over the (collapsed) ruck unbound. Hence the discussion with Itoje about how to defend such situations.

Will S
Gold Member
Gold Member
Posts: 1531
Joined: Sun Feb 01, 2009 5:21 pm
Location: Leicester

Re: Minor Law ammendments for the New Season

Post by Will S » Thu Sep 01, 2016 11:47 am

On Rugby Tonight I though Wayne Barnes suggested you can still step through and use your foot but you just have to be aware that if you make contact, even accidental, with a players head on the ground then you are looking at a red card.

Grimlish
Gold Member
Gold Member
Posts: 1016
Joined: Fri Apr 27, 2007 9:18 am
Location: Over the hill and far away

Re: Minor Law ammendments for the New Season

Post by Grimlish » Thu Sep 01, 2016 11:59 am

And you'd risk that because....? Far better to defend if there's no-one to bind onto.

4071
Super User
Super User
Posts: 2702
Joined: Tue Jun 15, 2004 11:21 am
Location: London

Re: Minor Law ammendments for the New Season

Post by 4071 » Thu Sep 01, 2016 12:24 pm

Grimlish wrote:I wonder about these two

"Wheeling a scrum legally is no longer a turnover, reset, same side put in."

"The non ball winning scrum half cannot move into the space between the flanker and the No s (stay out of the pocket)." (I presume that's No 8)
I like the first of them.

Obviously the incentive to legally wheel also provides an incentive to illegally wheel, and that causes chaos. Particularly given how often refs end up guessing whether a wheel is legal or not (and which team is causing a wheel).

This should mean more 'straight' scrummaging, and whilst it might see Tigers winning fewer turnovers from legal wheels, it should allow a dominant scrum to turn the screw a bit more on the weaker one. With no incentive to wheel when dominant, the ref is more likely to crack down on a weaker scrum illegally wheeling in the hopes of getting a reset.

KevinR
Top Cat
Top Cat
Posts: 97
Joined: Sat Aug 30, 2014 4:29 pm

Re: Minor Law ammendments for the New Season

Post by KevinR » Thu Sep 01, 2016 12:31 pm

In Super Rugby, the impact of the defensive scrum half not being able to track his opponent to the back of a scrum has been huge. I hope our 9s and 8s have been practising their moves, as the best teams - given more space - have been almost invariably scoring tries from scrums close to the opposition line.

Post Reply

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: ABClub, Bing [Bot], Leicestertinytiger, longlivethecrumbie, RagingBull, speedski and 2 guests