2015/16 Squad/Contracts/Rumours and Transfers Thread Part 4

[JackFlashJonny]

The logic behind signing JDV was sound. It was a good idea as the best possible stopgap before Toomua arrives. Unfortunately it didn't work out, nobody was to know that he'd pick up the injuries he had. As it turns out, the form of Matt Smith and Manu Tuilagi has meant it's not really mattered in the end.

To blame him or show animosity towards him for the injuries he's had or to blame the club for signing him is a bit weird if I'm honest.

More than 'a bit weird' and your post (imho) is spot on!

Entirely disagree.

You are assuming that injuries are pure fluke and that there is no possible way of predicting them.

De Villiers has been so injury prone in last 4 years, Henry Trinder esque levels. He has had more knee injuries than any other pro rugby player. He looked so skinny in lower body at world cup and looked fragile

I wouldn't touch either player with a barge pole. And don't say this is hindsight as I said it at the time. I would also say the same about Liam Williams, Halfpenny, Tommy Bowe etc

Those players play hardly any club games and aren't worth the money.

De Villiers was money poured down the toilet

There is not point trying to look at something logically with those of blind faith..Just be thankful we should hopefully win some more games with the flock praying for us

[LE18]

They would have to carry out a risk assessment or just sign him if they have loads of money which they might be pouring down the drain, you pays your money and takes your chance!
Just wonder which way JPP signing might go?

[Suz]

Sometimes these things work out sometimes they don't.
You could say Toulon were wrong in signing Wilko with his injury record. I would say it worked out for them

[darganj]

So I take it that people wouldn't sign Dan Carter on a resonable wage as he has had several injuries.

Stupid statement as you don't get world class on reasonable wages.

I wouldn't sign Dan Carter at his going rate, lot of injuries over last few years and not sure he has same motivation post World Cup. Look at Ma'a Nonu, been rubbish for Toulon

At half price, yes I would take a punt on Carter.

You don't want these players though, you want the young amazing ones like Charles Piutau.

I wouldn't sign James O'Connor as he likes too many shandies, but his youthful exuberance and quality transformed London Irish.

People overstate age and experience in British sport and all the fluffy team spirit :censored:.

Just pick the best players and in the modern game, why do you want 35 year old backs who break down constantly

[Cagey Tiger]

So I take it that people wouldn't sign Dan Carter on a resonable wage as he has had several injuries.

Or going back a few years, Toulon were stupid to sign Johnny Wilkinson from Newcastle with his track record of injuries.

[JackFlashJonny]

So I take it that people wouldn't sign Dan Carter on a resonable wage as he has had several injuries.

Or going back a few years, Toulon were stupid to sign Johnny Wilkinson from Newcastle with his track record of injuries.

Or going back two posts, Cagey was stupid not to read this already posted above by Suz

Plus it is Jonny not Johnny, you don't want to trust those Johnny types they ain't often good..

[darganj]

So I take it that people wouldn't sign Dan Carter on a resonable wage as he has had several injuries.

Or going back a few years, Toulon were stupid to sign Johnny Wilkinson from Newcastle with his track record of injuries.

A similar reply is the Neil Back response to Harry Thacker.

There are obviously exceptions, but you win more than you lose when you look at facts and go with probability.

Shouting out the odd exception doesn't disprove the main point:

Don't sign injury prone players unless its on a pittance with pay as you play.

[RagingBull]

So I take it that people wouldn't sign Dan Carter on a resonable wage as he has had several injuries.

Or going back a few years, Toulon were stupid to sign Johnny Wilkinson from Newcastle with his track record of injuries.

A similar reply is the Neil Back response to Harry Thacker.

There are obviously exceptions, but you win more than you lose when you look at facts and go with probability.

Shouting out the odd exception doesn't disprove the main point:

Don't sign injury prone players unless its on a pittance with pay as you play.

How many injury prone players have we signed?
Tait and JDV?

[darganj]

[/quote]

Or going back a few years, Toulon were stupid to sign Johnny Wilkinson from Newcastle with his track record of injuries.[/quote]

A similar reply is the Neil Back response to Harry Thacker.

There are obviously exceptions, but you win more than you lose when you look at facts and go with probability.

Shouting out the odd exception doesn't disprove the main point:

Don't sign injury prone players unless its on a pittance with pay as you play.[/quote]

How many injury prone players have we signed?
Tait and JDV?[/quote]

Is this a joke?

Jerome Schuster
Ghilradini always injured for Treviso - 70 games in 6 years
Sicknote Parling - average less than half the games a season
Michele Rizzo - averaged 12 games a year in Italy

I could go on and on. Our due diligence on some signings has been dire.

[strawclearer]

I was once invited to give an 'end of course' talk to a group of budding 'marketeers' on a 5-day training course. To the annoyance of those running the event, I explained to a fairly captive audience that Marketing was not the exact science of data capture, analysis and interpretation that they had just learned. It was more the art of going in roughly the right direction - sometimes you took the direct route; sometimes it was more 'circumnavigational'.

I think the same applies to squad recruitment.

JdV may not have directly won the Premiership or European Cup for us - but maybe indirectly some lessons; some motivation; some new players attracted by his example; and some 'je ne sais quoi' might contribute to giving us the success, the style of play and silverware that we all want!

[sapajo]

Or going back a few years, Toulon were stupid to sign Johnny Wilkinson from Newcastle with his track record of injuries.[/quote]

A similar reply is the Neil Back response to Harry Thacker.

There are obviously exceptions, but you win more than you lose when you look at facts and go with probability.

Shouting out the odd exception doesn't disprove the main point:

Don't sign injury prone players unless its on a pittance with pay as you play.[/quote]

How many injury prone players have we signed?
Tait and JDV?[/quote]

Is this a joke?

Jerome Schuster
Ghilradini always injured for Treviso - 70 games in 6 years
Sicknote Parling - average less than half the games a season
Michele Rizzo - averaged 12 games a year in Italy

I could go on and on. Our due diligence on some signings has been dire.[/quote]

Schuster was not injured he was just in the same category as Loamanu.

[kpj tiger]

Or going back a few years, Toulon were stupid to sign Johnny Wilkinson from Newcastle with his track record of injuries.[/quote]

A similar reply is the Neil Back response to Harry Thacker.

There are obviously exceptions, but you win more than you lose when you look at facts and go with probability.

Shouting out the odd exception doesn't disprove the main point:

Don't sign injury prone players unless its on a pittance with pay as you play.[/quote]

How many injury prone players have we signed?
Tait and JDV?[/quote]

Is this a joke?

Jerome Schuster
Ghilradini always injured for Treviso - 70 games in 6 years
Sicknote Parling - average less than half the games a season
Michele Rizzo - averaged 12 games a year in Italy

I could go on and on. Our due diligence on some signings has been dire.[/quote]

Schuster was just a poor player

Ghiraldini played for Italy for large parts of the season hence a lower number of Treviso games, also remember due to them not having relegation he was rested a lot like BOD for leinster

Parling same as above in terms of Internationals, Later on he developed a concussion problem which is hardly in his control

[RagingBull]

Is this a joke?

Jerome Schuster
Ghilradini always injured for Treviso - 70 games in 6 years
Sicknote Parling - average less than half the games a season
Michele Rizzo - averaged 12 games a year in Italy

I could go on and on. Our due diligence on some signings has been dire.

Is this a joke?
Schuster not good enough
Parling only become a issue after his most recent contract with us one season was an issue, he had 16 club games whilst being capped for England and in his first year played 30 games for us.
Leo has played a season
2010 - 29
2011 - 9
2012 - 20
2013 - 29
Average - 21 games a season
Rizzo has averaged
2010 - 5
2011 - 27
2012 - 24
2013 - 21
Average - 19.5 games a season

The only thing that is a joke is your research here.

[Hot_Charlie]

Parling only become a issue after his most recent contract with us one season was an issue, he had 16 club games whilst being capped for England and in his first year played 30 games for us.


The only thing that is a joke is your research here.

Not to mention a certain piece of Parling skill depriving Sarries of a chance to snatch Premiership Final victory.

As you say, don't let good research get in the way of an argument. Obviously 90% of players ever signed by Tigers have proven to be utterly useless...

[dunc]

I suppose Aaron Mauger had little off the field impact during his long injury layoffs and as he was being paid to play we should have terminated his contract immediately.