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Re: Job Marler racially abusing a Welsh player? No Sanction

Post by jgriffin » Fri Mar 18, 2016 7:10 pm

Sample of the insults I remember from playing in Wales:
"I would've ****** your mother last night but she was wanted to make bacon" ( a good one I laughed at);
"***** off back over the bridge, English t**t" (how do you know I'm English received the follow-up that substituted Irish for English, and one pearler said "well it's obvious you ain't a (insult to black people)". I was happier with the one from Llanelli "Swansea gay boy", merely homophobic.
The WRU did not respond to my frequent letters of complaint. :smt009

(for the benefit of the terminally dull, this is meant to be slightly ironic and humorous).
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Re: Job Marler racially abusing a Welsh player? No Sanction

Post by G.K » Fri Mar 18, 2016 10:49 pm

So someone who plays for Wales describes himself as a Gypo yet someone who plays for England calls him a Gypo and is then classed as a rampant racist? Get a life PC brigade.
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Re: Job Marler racially abusing a Welsh player? No Sanction

Post by G.K » Fri Mar 18, 2016 10:59 pm

Meanwhile a Welsh player could easily have damaged the eyes of an English player, but that attracts no similar media attention. Is it just me missing the sanctimonious hypocrisy here?
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Re: Job Marler racially abusing a Welsh player? No Sanction

Post by Iain » Sat Mar 19, 2016 7:28 am

h's dad wrote:
Iain wrote:Who's called someone an English pig dog? I don't remember laughing at that.

I've explained that it's never okay to use someone's race or ethnic origin as an insult. I don't know how I can be any clearer to you. Hence why I'm out.
Iain wrote:You don't frighten us, English pig dogs. Go and boil your bottoms, you sons of a silly person. I blow my nose at you, so-called "Arthur King," you and all your silly English K-nig-hts.
Oh that.
That's a Monty Python quote. You're either now on the wind up, windmilling wildly or you might actually be a bit daft. Let's call it a day for this thread.

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Re: Job Marler racially abusing a Welsh player? No Sanction

Post by Robespierre » Sat Mar 19, 2016 4:58 pm

Who remembers the old Welsh coach Gareth Jenkins (whose record with the Welsh XV was not the best) being called 'gypo' by disgruntled Welsh supporters?

Surely a case of the pot calling the kettle black, eh?
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Post by Phil B » Sun Mar 20, 2016 1:55 pm

Robespierre wrote:Who remembers the old Welsh coach Gareth Jenkins (whose record with the Welsh XV was not the best) being called 'gypo' by disgruntled Welsh supporters?

Surely a case of the pot calling the kettle black, eh?
You don't seem to have grasped the real point in all of this. It's only the English who can be brought to book - no-one else. Until that truth is fully understood, we shall get nowhere.
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Re: Job Marler racially abusing a Welsh player? No Sanction

Post by h's dad » Sun Mar 20, 2016 6:06 pm

Iain wrote:
h's dad wrote:
Iain wrote:Who's called someone an English pig dog? I don't remember laughing at that.

I've explained that it's never okay to use someone's race or ethnic origin as an insult. I don't know how I can be any clearer to you. Hence why I'm out.
Iain wrote:You don't frighten us, English pig dogs. Go and boil your bottoms, you sons of a silly person. I blow my nose at you, so-called "Arthur King," you and all your silly English K-nig-hts.
Oh that.
That's a Monty Python quote. You're either now on the wind up, windmilling wildly or you might actually be a bit daft. Let's call it a day for this thread.
I did manage to work that out. But you seem to imply that it's acceptable and even welcome if it's on about an hour and a half of celluloid, whereas it's not if it's on, um, about an hour and and a half of celluloid. I'm fairly consistent, it's you who is windmilling from one extreme to the other Iain.
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Re: Job Marler racially abusing a Welsh player? No Sanction

Post by Robespierre » Sun Mar 20, 2016 7:31 pm

Phil B wrote:
Robespierre wrote:Who remembers the old Welsh coach Gareth Jenkins (whose record with the Welsh XV was not the best) being called 'gypo' by disgruntled Welsh supporters?

Surely a case of the pot calling the kettle black, eh?
You don't seem to have grasped the real point in all of this. It's only the English who can be brought to book - no-one else. Until that truth is fully understood, we shall get nowhere.
So I don't grasp the point? I'm only making a comparison with what is generally acceptable in Wales (but there are those Welsh who are genuinely embarrassed with that) but as soon as an Englishman utters the word - there is all hell to pay!
Sad, innit?
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Re: Job Marler racially abusing a Welsh player? No Sanction

Post by Soggypitch » Sun Mar 20, 2016 7:37 pm

Robespierre wrote:
Phil B wrote:
Robespierre wrote:Who remembers the old Welsh coach Gareth Jenkins (whose record with the Welsh XV was not the best) being called 'gypo' by disgruntled Welsh supporters?

Surely a case of the pot calling the kettle black, eh?
You don't seem to have grasped the real point in all of this. It's only the English who can be brought to book - no-one else. Until that truth is fully understood, we shall get nowhere.
So I don't grasp the point? I'm only making a comparison with what is generally acceptable in Wales (but there are those Welsh who are genuinely embarrassed with that) but as soon as an Englishman utters the word - there is all hell to pay!
Sad, innit?
Robespierre - I don't know if you are English or French? But I think you have misunderstood the irony/humour in Phil B's post....

Too long living in France?!
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Re: Job Marler racially abusing a Welsh player? No Sanction

Post by tigercaspian » Sun Mar 20, 2016 7:54 pm

Interesting to hear/watch W Carling Esq on Sky yesterday afternoon talk about the time England lost to Wales in Cardiff and the abuse he got from Welsh supporters at a services when he stopped off on the way back to London.....

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Post by Robespierre » Mon Mar 21, 2016 6:07 am

Soggypitch wrote:.

Robespierre - I don't know if you are English or French? But I think you have misunderstood the irony/humour in Phil B's post....

Too long living in France?!
Morning, Soggy.

English, and yes, I think I misunderstood.

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Re: Job Marler racially abusing a Welsh player? No Sanction

Post by BeeJay » Tue Mar 29, 2016 7:03 am

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/35913618 I know the link says boxing - the BBC have cocked it up.

Marler's World Rugby hearing is set for next Tuesday (05 Apr). This is now nothing more than a witch hunt. It's plainly obvious someone at World Rugby is determined to punish this Englishman regardless and is quite willing to brush aside any decision made by the 6N organisers. Have the WRU gone bleating to World Rugby about the 6N's decisions - who knows? I make no bones about referring to Marler as an Englishman as I am sure this farce would not have progressed this far if he was of another nationality.

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Re: Job Marler racially abusing a Welsh player? No Sanction

Post by jgriffin » Tue Mar 29, 2016 10:00 am

BeeJay wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/35913618 I know the link says boxing - the BBC have cocked it up.

Marler's World Rugby hearing is set for next Tuesday (05 Apr). This is now nothing more than a witch hunt. It's plainly obvious someone at World Rugby is determined to punish this Englishman regardless and is quite willing to brush aside any decision made by the 6N organisers. Have the WRU gone bleating to World Rugby about the 6N's decisions - who knows? I make no bones about referring to Marler as an Englishman as I am sure this farce would not have progressed this far if he was of another nationality.
Agree totally, and I - as someone who witnessed the WRU when living in Wales - believe it is that organisation pushing behind all this. They were and still are a vindictive and obdurate organisation still mired in the vicious politics of Welsh rugby in the 70s and 80s.
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Re: Job Marler racially abusing a Welsh player? No Sanction

Post by smalldell » Tue Mar 29, 2016 10:22 am

The problem is that it was not dealt with immediately. A one match ban could well have done the trick. Having gone to these lengths now I fear for JM and wonder how long the punishment will be.

The real problem is even though he apologised that still does not alter the fact he was out of order. The 6Nations like any organisation would struggle to turn the political correctness clock back. JM's opt out clause - apology - is too convenient for future offenders.

I actually think that a lot of this is about fatigue in that all international players need rest from the constant pressure and hopefully he and others will get that in the summer. If EJ makes the Australian tour a must win we could well go backwards fast.

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Re: Job Marler racially abusing a Welsh player? No Sanction

Post by G.K » Tue Mar 29, 2016 10:38 am

smalldell wrote:The problem is that it was not dealt with immediately. A one match ban could well have done the trick. Having gone to these lengths now I fear for JM and wonder how long the punishment will be.

The real problem is even though he apologised that still does not alter the fact he was out of order. The 6Nations like any organisation would struggle to turn the political correctness clock back. JM's opt out clause - apology - is too convenient for future offenders.

I actually think that a lot of this is about fatigue in that all international players need rest from the constant pressure and hopefully he and others will get that in the summer. If EJ makes the Australian tour a must win we could well go backwards fast.
Rhetorical question - is Lee also being sanctioned for his anti English comments/abuse towards Marler?
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