Job Marler racially abusing a Welsh player? No Sanction

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Re: Job Marler racially abusing a Welsh player? No Sanction

Post by Tyzot » Wed Mar 16, 2016 10:52 pm

Apples and oranges

Hartley had been warned earlier in the match about making comments that could be considered to be aimed at the ref. So not heat of the moment - just dumb.

Glad to see a bit of common sense being used in the end.

Like the suggestion of Marler buying Lee a beer! All in all probably the best way to settle it rather than letting the profesional complainers cloud the issue by wheeling out their soapboxes and spoiling rational dialogue.

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Re: Job Marler racially abusing a Welsh player? No Sanction

Post by WhitecapTiger » Wed Mar 16, 2016 10:54 pm

ellis9 wrote:Did Dylan Hartley not call Wayne Barnes a :censored: cheat in the heat of the moment?!
No! He said that to Tom Youngs.......... :smt002 :smt003
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Re: Job Marler racially abusing a Welsh player? No Sanction

Post by ellis9 » Wed Mar 16, 2016 11:18 pm

Tyzot, yes Hartley was warned and then got punished in the form of a red card and then faced further punishment afterwards and rightly so. Is that not similar to Marler?

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Re: Job Marler racially abusing a Welsh player?

Post by h's dad » Thu Mar 17, 2016 2:12 am

biffer wrote:
h's dad wrote: Sorry biffer but I really do believe there is an acceptable line. Baa baa black sheep is one side of the line and the holocaust is on the other. I do understand that some want to lump them together but they are nutters (in my opinion) whatever their race.
I understand that, the difficulty is that everyone's line can be in a different place, and those lines are arbitrary, not absolute. When they're arbitrary, they can be moved, and when there's a lot of movement it can lead on to other societal behaviours which can result in oppression. I'm not for a second saying that will automatically happen, it's a huge mish mash of influences and pressures, but the use of language is one of those and it's why there has to be some care and thought about what is acceptable and what isn't, and why the level of what's acceptable depends very much on the platform and exposure of any particular instance.
But equally people shouldn't have to tippy toe around for fear of upsetting somebody's hair trigger sensitivities, especially when they take it upon themselves to be sensitive on somebody else's behalf and even go out of their way to do so. Some of the claims to offence really are ridiculous in any instance.
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Re: Job Marler racially abusing a Welsh player? No Sanction

Post by Tyzot » Thu Mar 17, 2016 7:08 am

ellis9 Your point was that both were heat of the moment. If earlier in the game Marler had been warned about using that sort of description to a player then the cases would have been similar - but he was not and so they were not similar.

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Re: Job Marler racially abusing a Welsh player? No Sanction

Post by jonlin » Thu Mar 17, 2016 8:13 am

Looks like the virtue signallers on here have got it wrong.

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Re: Job Marler racially abusing a Welsh player? No Sanction

Post by biffer » Thu Mar 17, 2016 9:54 am

jonlin wrote:Looks like the virtue signallers on here have got it wrong.
So you believe the blazers are right all the time? Interesting.

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Re: Job Marler racially abusing a Welsh player? No Sanction

Post by LE18 » Thu Mar 17, 2016 10:48 am

So it's ok to call someone a Blazer :smt017

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Re: Job Marler racially abusing a Welsh player? No Sanction

Post by h's dad » Thu Mar 17, 2016 10:56 am

LE18 wrote:So it's ok to call someone a Blazer :smt017
Careful LE18, you get deleted for suggesting that double standards may be in play.

Does anybody else think that EJ's earlier incitement to 'smash the Italians' was more offensive than Marler's comment for which (presumably) EJ made Marler apologise?
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Re: Job Marler racially abusing a Welsh player? No Sanction

Post by Phil B » Thu Mar 17, 2016 12:13 pm

LE18 wrote:So it's ok to call someone a Blazer :smt017
Only if it suits you sir.
I could agree with you...but then we'd both be wrong.

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Re: Job Marler racially abusing a Welsh player? No Sanction

Post by The Boy Dave » Thu Mar 17, 2016 12:53 pm

Does anybody else think that EJ's earlier incitement to 'smash the Italians' was more offensive than Marler's comment for which (presumably) EJ made Marler apologise?
For EJ to make Job Marler apologise was just criminal... :smt003
'smash the Italians'
Oh dear! :smt017 :smt047 :smt018
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Re: Job Marler racially abusing a Welsh player?

Post by biffer » Thu Mar 17, 2016 1:30 pm

Skin_and_Muscle wrote:
Iain wrote:If people are going to scoff out the old "PC gone mad" rubbish then there's nothing else I can add.
It must be an awful existence, constantly moaning about having to be respectful and polite. I think they mistake the censure of abuse for oppression.
When you're accustomed to privilege equality seems like oppression.

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Re: Job Marler racially abusing a Welsh player? No Sanction

Post by h's dad » Thu Mar 17, 2016 3:41 pm

The Boy Dave wrote:
Does anybody else think that EJ's earlier incitement to 'smash the Italians' was more offensive than Marler's comment for which (presumably) EJ made Marler apologise?
For EJ to make Job Marler apologise was just criminal... :smt003
'smash the Italians'
Oh dear! :smt017 :smt047 :smt018
Sorry, 'smack' them, give them 'good hiding', be 'brutal' and 'leave none standing'.
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Re: Job Marler racially abusing a Welsh player? No Sanction

Post by G.K » Thu Mar 17, 2016 6:31 pm

LE18 wrote:So it's ok to call someone a Blazer :smt017
Yes but not a Gypsy Blazer.
Nowadays referees decide matches, players by how much.

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Re: Job Marler racially abusing a Welsh player? No Sanction

Post by tigercaspian » Thu Mar 17, 2016 7:20 pm

Gypsy Moth ? Chocks away...........

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