Quarter finals for the ECC.

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Quarter finals for the ECC.

Post by twinny » Sun Jan 17, 2016 6:54 pm

Well by my reckoning the seedings might be as follows
1=Racing 92
2=Sarries
3=Tigers
4=Ospreys
5=Toulon
6=Clermont
7=Wasps
8=Stade
Which means we will play Clermont at home,that is assuming that we lose in paris with a LBP.
But if we win in paris n sarries dont win in toulouse we will be top seeds therefore stade will be out and ulster will replace them so it might be ulster at welford rd.But if sarries n tigers win next weekend we will be 2nd seeds so we play wasps,my question is who would we prefer to play Clermont,Ulster or Wasps. :smt017

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Re: Quarter finals for the ECC.

Post by Dr H Flashman MBE » Sun Jan 17, 2016 7:19 pm

I think we could turn most teams over. Wasps will be gutted by that defeat. I have no love of Wasps after the 2 cups they stole from us..but they were mightily unlucky. But that's is what matey boy at Toulon pays for, it almost look inevitable in the last few phases they would score. We would have the beating of Wasps and Ulster at home but I would worry more about the French pitching up. Just glad we have qualified and have a chance to be in the top seeds. Bravo to Cockers and Madge.
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Re: Quarter finals for the ECC.

Post by RagingBull » Sun Jan 17, 2016 7:31 pm

Reckon it will end up now being

1) Saracens
2) Racing
3) Leicester
4) Toulon
5) Ospreys
6) Wasps
7) Clermont
8) Saints

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Re: Quarter finals for the ECC.

Post by Bill W (2) » Sun Jan 17, 2016 8:50 pm

Too close to call for me.

There will, however, be no Irish Region, and only one Welsh Province. Rest wil be English or French Clubs (three four or four three)

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Re: Quarter finals for the ECC.

Post by WhitecapTiger » Mon Jan 18, 2016 12:50 am

Bill W (2) wrote:Too close to call for me.

There will, however, be no Irish Region, and only one Welsh Province. Rest wil be English or French Clubs (three four or four three)

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Or, no Irish Provinces and only one Welsh Region........ :smt002 :smt023
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Re: Quarter finals for the ECC.

Post by MrPartridge » Mon Jan 18, 2016 9:04 am

Lots of permutations left by my calculations. We win at SF and we've a good chance of top 2 seeding. Infact TBP win for us assures us top 2 seeding.

Ulster are still flying the Irish flag. If Wasps win with TBP then Toulon will need 5 points at Bath otherwise Wasps will win the group. Ospreys/Clermont is also a close one to call… what were Exeter thinking putting out the B team?

I'm a beating man and I wouldn't select our QF opponents at this stage! Going to be fun watching from the side-lines next weekend!

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Re: Quarter finals for the ECC.

Post by Grimlish » Mon Jan 18, 2016 11:23 am

MrPartridge wrote: I'm a beating man
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Re: Quarter finals for the ECC.

Post by ads » Mon Jan 18, 2016 11:30 am

What are the seedings based on? Is it most points in the pool? Cos that would make us 2nd seed currently wouldn't it?

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Re: Quarter finals for the ECC.

Post by Grimlish » Mon Jan 18, 2016 11:51 am

We are 2nd just now ads, but face a trip which must not be underestimated, against a team with both a place and pride to play for (and current Top14 champions), while Racing face a team with only pride to play for. If we win in Paris this coming w/e we will have deserved a great-looking route toward the final. If not we shall be 3rd placed most likely, and based on seedings would face a likely SF away to Racing, so again in Paris - the current Top14 leaders....

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Re: Quarter finals for the ECC.

Post by Noddy555 » Mon Jan 18, 2016 12:06 pm

On current form I would choose Ulster who seem to be vulnerable away from Ravenshill. Wasps would be my second choice and Clermont last because they are capable of good things as we all know.

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Re: Quarter finals for the ECC.

Post by Grimlish » Mon Jan 18, 2016 12:13 pm

If only we could choose our opponents....

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Re: Quarter finals for the ECC.

Post by MrPartridge » Mon Jan 18, 2016 1:14 pm

It is worth looking at some of the other threads (e.g. v Treviso) as there are good explanations of how the seedings work (and it isn't straight-forward). Sadly we can win in Paris and still miss out on Top 2 seeding (which is important as seeds 3 and 4 can't get a 'home' SF). As others have said, we have to finish above Racing or Saracens on points as points diff is the tie-breaker and both are well ahead.

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Re: Quarter finals for the ECC.

Post by Tigerbeat » Mon Jan 18, 2016 4:01 pm

The clubs ranked 1 to 4 will have home advantage for the quarter-finals as follows:

Club 1 v Club 8 (QF1) Club 4 v Club 5 (QF2)
Club 3 v Club 6 (QF3) Club 2 v Club 7 (QF4)

NB The new format for the semi-final matches in the Champions Cup recognises performances by clubs during the pool stages as well as the achievement of a winning a quarter-final match away from home.

The winner of QF1 will play the winner of QF2 in one semi-final, and the winner of QF3 will play the winner of QF4 in the other semi-final as follows:

Semi-final 1: winner QF1 v winner QF2
Semi-final 2: winner QF3 v winner QF4

The semi-final matches will be played at venues designated by EPCR, but the following clubs will have home country advantage in their respective semi-final matches:

(a) For Semi-final 1
If the clubs ranked 1 and 4 win their QFs, the club ranked 1 will have home country
If the clubs ranked 1 and 5 win their QFs, the club ranked 5 will have home country advantage
If the clubs ranked 8 and 4 win their QFs, the club ranked 8 will have home country advantage
If the clubs ranked 8 and 5 win their QFs, the club ranked 5 will have home country advantage

(b) For Semi-final 2

If the clubs ranked 3 and 2 win their QFs, the club ranked 2 will have home country advantage
If the clubs ranked 3 and 7 win their QFs, the club ranked 7 will have home country advantage
If the clubs ranked 6 and 2 win their QFs, the club ranked 6 will have home country advantage
If the clubs ranked 6 and 7 win their QFs, the club ranked 6 will have home country advantage

The final match will be played at a venue designated by EPCR.

Looks like the only way to get a home semi final is to be second seeds and hope that the 3rd seeds also win there quarter final. There does not appear to be any way for the 3rd seeds to home country advantage.
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Re: Quarter finals for the ECC.

Post by LE18 » Mon Jan 18, 2016 4:47 pm

Looks crazy to me, are they trying to get the worst ranked club to be champions? :smt017

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Re: Quarter finals for the ECC.

Post by Tigerbeat » Mon Jan 18, 2016 5:29 pm

Looks like they are rewarding any away win in the quarters with home country advantage in the semis.
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