England Squad - OTY Dropped !!!!!

[Noddy555]

There's a rumour going around Northampton that Hartley will miss out on the 6 nations through injury so OTY will replace him and some sanity return to the England squad.

[Roly]

There's a rumour going around Northampton that Hartley will miss out on the 6 nations through injury so OTY will replace him and some sanity return to the England squad.

Truth or just wishful thinking.....

Ashton is most likely to miss out as he is cited on Wednesday for an alleged gouging incident at the weekend. Minimum tariff is a 12 week ban.

[doublecarpet]

There's a rumour going around Northampton that Hartley will miss out on the 6 nations through injury so OTY will replace him and some sanity return to the England squad.

If true, i wouldn't be surprised if Haywood was called up as a replacement, bearing in mind that he's now the best hooker at Saints.

[The Boy Dave]

Please, as I have demonstrated, explained and opined at exhaustive length, I am not anti-Tigers, I am just not afraid to express an opinion that questions selection or tactics. I am not in love with Saracens, I, like many people who understand the game, have a lot of grudging respect for them and their success.

As has already been said, this article has developed, it is still 'on topic'.

I have explained at length that a link between jones, Saracens and their style of play could benefit England.

Frankly, you're just making yourself look rather dull now that we've established those facts, and that your 'facts' weren't facts at all....

Your anti-Tigers and Sarries love in is so obvious there is little point in discussion with you.
Thanks for the dull insult, if you thought higher of me i'd be proper insulted!

[Roly]

Please, as I have demonstrated, explained and opined at exhaustive length, I am not anti-Tigers, I am just not afraid to express an opinion that questions selection or tactics. I am not in love with Saracens, I, like many people who understand the game, have a lot of grudging respect for them and their success.

As has already been said, this article has developed, it is still 'on topic'.

I have explained at length that a link between jones, Saracens and their style of play could benefit England.

Frankly, you're just making yourself look rather dull now that we've established those facts, and that your 'facts' weren't facts at all....

Your anti-Tigers and Sarries love in is so obvious there is little point in discussion with you.
Thanks for the dull insult, if you thought higher of me i'd be proper insulted!

Since you re-defined irony several postings ago, I really can't be bothered to explain how in awe I am of you for attempting to improve on your achievement.

[Noddy555]

Disagree Doublecarpet, putting aside a proven international and substituting another international is a far cry from introducing an untried player.

[Jimmy Skitz]

There's a rumour going around Northampton that Hartley will miss out on the 6 nations through injury so OTY will replace him and some sanity return to the England squad.

if I were OTY I would politely decline sighting that "I'm noones "injury replacement" if you wanted me you should have picked me".

But then I suspect I'm a far more bitter and vindictive person then he is

[Hiron]

As far as I'm concerned, OTY is now TGFE (Too Good For England/Eddie - take your pick).

[Hinckley Bob]

There's a rumour going around Northampton that Hartley will miss out on the 6 nations through injury so OTY will replace him and some sanity return to the England squad.

Oh no! I thought we were going to keep him at Tigers.

[Roly]

As far as I'm concerned, OTY is now TGFE (Too Good For England/Eddie - take your pick).

Unfortunately, whilst a good player, he is neither too good for England, or Eddie Jones.

Rumours of Hartley's injury are just that, rumours (and a certain amount of wishful thinking on behalf of some).

Tigers should be pleased OTY hasn't been selected, he is best placed at the club. I mean, if OTY is such a good player 'too good for England...' - then surely supporters should be glad he hasn't been selected, so that such mercurial talent tides Tigers over during the international window?

[jonlin]

I have explained at length that a link between jones, Saracens and their style of play could benefit England.



Okay, not 'dominant' perhaps, but certainly very successful in recent years. All the more impressive when you consider how recently this transition took place. They may have run out of steam before, but that was then, this is now. It is quite clear that the club infrastructure from top down, is geared towards long term success and that it is paying off. Certainly this season, there isn't another team in the same class really. Can't see them struggling to make the top four this year, the strength in depth is frightening.

Still get shafted by the All Blacks, be it on grass, paper or plastic. Is that pragmatic enough for you.

[Roly]

I have explained at length that a link between jones, Saracens and their style of play could benefit England.



Okay, not 'dominant' perhaps, but certainly very successful in recent years. All the more impressive when you consider how recently this transition took place. They may have run out of steam before, but that was then, this is now. It is quite clear that the club infrastructure from top down, is geared towards long term success and that it is paying off. Certainly this season, there isn't another team in the same class really. Can't see them struggling to make the top four this year, the strength in depth is frightening.

Still get shafted by the All Blacks, be it on grass, paper or plastic. Is that pragmatic enough for you.

Yes, great analogy.

[Pinot Tiger]

Lest we forget, another hooker selected on 'form' by Eddie, Luke Cowan Dickie, hasn't played since November 15th, and only 4 times previous to that. He has totalled a measly 294 minutes on the pitch this season in prem and euro games.
Think Eddie will come knocking again soon...

[LE18]

Noones replacement, didn't know noone was injured?

[Roly]

Lest we forget, another hooker selected on 'form' by Eddie, Luke Cowan Dickie, hasn't played since November 15th, and only 4 times previous to that. He has totalled a measly 294 minutes on the pitch this season in prem and euro games.
Think Eddie will come knocking again soon...

You're absolutely right, it would almost be up there in terms of odd selections with the previous head coach selecting Sam Burgess, out of position, in a code of the game he hadn't played until 18 months previous to the WC. And then there were the other centre partnership inspired picks, crucial selections at 10, half-back and the front row with Hartley not being picked....

In other words, give Jones a chance, things could hardly get worse.