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Re: Hartley AGAIN

Post by speedski » Tue May 26, 2015 8:16 pm

He makes a concious move of the head to strike an opponents head. How is it any different from Bai's intentional strike to the head that got him sent off against Wasps. He has purposely walked towards George and extended his head with the intention of impact to the opponents head.

What people see it in isn't really relevant, its what the rules state.

It states you cannot strike with the head and he does, he makes a concious effort to do so. I've watched it over an over (thanks TiVO) - there really is no doubt in what he did (and his face during the TMO review said it all.

Besides, TY is the better player anyway (would say that wouldn't I :smt003 )

http://sport.bt.com/tries/highlights-no ... 3982808533 4min 50 in on the video...

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Re: Hartley AGAIN

Post by speedski » Tue May 26, 2015 8:28 pm

northerntiger wrote:I agree, it wasn't much, but it was from a man who has much previous, it was deliberate and it wasn't heat of the moment, it was just after Sarries had scored a try. If George hadn't shown some restraint, it probably would have led the ref to take action. Did he TMO it during the game- I can't remember?
He did, but he wasn't shown the right angles.

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Re: Hartley AGAIN

Post by chipnchase » Tue May 26, 2015 9:48 pm

2 lions tours and now a World Cup? There is going to be A LOT of pressure on that disciplinary panel tomorrow.

No talking his way out, he wasn't provoked and until that point the two hadnt clashed. Previous record shows he's a loose cannon.

Bye bye Mr Hartley for the world cup??? :smt039 :smt039 :smt039 :smt039 :smt039

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Re: Hartley AGAIN

Post by Iain » Tue May 26, 2015 9:58 pm

GS wrote:I remember an incident between Marcos and Marler during a Quins game. All Marcos did was lean on Marler, during the verbal interchange, with his head. Seriously not a head butt but the decision was that there was head contact and he was banned.
Are you for real!?

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Re: Hartley AGAIN

Post by G.K » Tue May 26, 2015 10:16 pm

Bill W (2) wrote:
fentiger wrote:
chipnchase wrote:How is it as much Georges fault?
Precisely! :smt017
Jamie George left his head where Hartley could reach it!!

:smt026
Jamie George was on the same pitch at the same time, not only that but he was where Hartley wanted to go, that's hardly Hartley's fault is it?
Nowadays referees decide matches, players by how much.

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Re: Hartley AGAIN

Post by sapajo » Tue May 26, 2015 11:14 pm

G.K wrote:
Jamie George was on the same pitch at the same time, not only that but he was where Hartley wanted to go, that's hardly Hartley's fault is it?
Simply beggars belief :smt017
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Re: Hartley AGAIN

Post by G.K » Wed May 27, 2015 7:33 am

sapajo wrote:
G.K wrote:
Jamie George was on the same pitch at the same time, not only that but he was where Hartley wanted to go, that's hardly Hartley's fault is it?
Simply beggars belief :smt017
Correct - why did the ref allow Jamie George to get within range of Hartley's head?
Nowadays referees decide matches, players by how much.

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Re: Hartley AGAIN

Post by InGuinnessVeritas » Wed May 27, 2015 7:37 am

Quite simply, Hartley is a liability and continues to not learn from his previous experiences. How many chances should he be given? Have a read of this from 15 months ago. Hartley says a lot of things but, in the end, he reverts to type and the thug reappears.

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Re: Hartley AGAIN

Post by speedski » Wed May 27, 2015 8:20 am

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/rugbyu ... onent.html

First photo, eyes shut, arms back, gap between the body and George and no where near the shoulder that some people he claim he hit.

He didn't have to walk there, he looked right at him, walked towards him.

He knew EXACTLY what he was doing.

I hope his ban is lengthy - he's pure dirty at 50 weeks of bans so far in his career.

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Re: Hartley AGAIN

Post by covrich » Wed May 27, 2015 8:39 am

Don't get me wrong I think Hartley is a liability and set piece aside not even that good..

That said there really was nothing in that and whilst it was him acting like a <insert your favourite profanity>, it was handbags as far as I am concerned and really nothing that needs to be taken any further..

I understand historical offense being used in determining the length of a ban but really a lengthy ban for basically a shove..??

If it was a Tigers player this place would be in meltdown over that.

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Re: Hartley AGAIN

Post by Coops » Wed May 27, 2015 8:42 am

There's no point arguing with each other and surmising what will or won't happen, one things for sure the case will either get thrown out or DH will get a trivial ban meaning he still features in Bomber's plans for the RWC.

Bomber has made it perfectly clear that DH will remain in the side regardless of what he does.

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Re: Hartley AGAIN

Post by sapajo » Wed May 27, 2015 8:49 am

Coops wrote:Bomber has made it perfectly clear that DH will remain in the side regardless of what he does.
This sadly is the reality, when it comes to Hartley's misdeameanours Lancaster permits anything he does on the pitch, and in doing so has shown himself to be a rank hypocrite!
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Re: Hartley AGAIN

Post by InGuinnessVeritas » Wed May 27, 2015 9:03 am

covrich wrote:That said there really was nothing in that and whilst it was him acting like a <insert your favourite profanity>, it was handbags as far as I am concerned and really nothing that needs to be taken any further..
It wasn't simply handbags. Northampton had scored a try and, rather than just heading back to his own half in preparation for the restart after the conversion attempt, the Saints captain decided to stick his face in that of his opposite number. He could have walked around George, led by example or behaved like a professional but no, Hartley just had to make contact head to head.

When is this moron going to get it into his thick skull that he is in the spotlight every time he plays due to his appalling disciplinary record? Australia and Wales are amongst the best when it comes to winding up the opposition. The last thing we want is to be playing these teams in the World Cup with only 14 men.

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Re: Hartley AGAIN

Post by daktari » Wed May 27, 2015 9:57 am

The incident itself is pretty minor, however, thats not how things work. Even accidental headbutts can get you a ban. The guy is a liability on the pitch, how England (and Saints) can risk playing him is beyond me.
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Re: Hartley AGAIN

Post by Noddy555 » Wed May 27, 2015 10:12 am

Which knuckle will Lancaster slap him over this time? Indeed has he got any knuckles left? Isn't it about time that this little boy was confined to the nursery where he belongs.

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