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Re: 5 Laws you'd like to see changed in rugby

Post by rich1576 » Wed Feb 25, 2015 3:57 pm

I think all refs and linemen should be Tigers supporters

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Re: 5 Laws you'd like to see changed in rugby

Post by jgriffin » Wed Feb 25, 2015 5:24 pm

Timekeeper stops watch before every scrum, lineout, penalty kick, conversion. Watch starts when ref indicates (e.g. taps 9 on back). Stops when scrum whistled up or ball back in play. The knock-on effect is that fatboys get worn out and sheer weight becomes a handicap, when they have to play 80 and not 50.

Choke tackle, ref calls use it, if defence do not rip, scrum to attack.
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Re: 5 Laws you'd like to see changed in rugby

Post by Nizzle1 » Wed Feb 25, 2015 7:20 pm

Personally i wouldn't have stoppage time, but allow the fourth official, tmo, or even the ref if they wanted, stop the clock for things like scrums, line-outs and penalty kicks until the ball is live and in play again. This way the ref can take his time making the correct decisions at scrum time, it becomes impossible to run the clock down in line-outs etc and means the spectators actually get 80 minutes of rugby they deserve! not the 60 odd we get currently!

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Re: 5 Laws you'd like to see changed in rugby

Post by h's dad » Wed Feb 25, 2015 8:05 pm

Nizzle1 wrote:Personally i wouldn't have stoppage time, but allow the fourth official, tmo, or even the ref if they wanted, stop the clock for things like scrums, line-outs and penalty kicks until the ball is live and in play again. This way the ref can take his time making the correct decisions at scrum time, it becomes impossible to run the clock down in line-outs etc and means the spectators actually get 80 minutes of rugby they deserve! not the 60 odd we get currently!
Hi Nizzle. can you let me know who you're watching to get 60 minutes of live rugby in a game?

A bit out of date but:
http://www.theroar.com.au/2012/09/03/ho ... ch-really/
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Re: 5 Laws you'd like to see changed in rugby

Post by jgriffin » Wed Feb 25, 2015 8:38 pm

Yeah, when I posted my last lot of wishful thinking I was under the impression that the longest recorded in play was 48 mins, and 30 was the median. The latter seems about right (not much below the 35), no idea where the first figure came from.
Do you get the feeling that a lot of fans are cheesed off? My Stains-in-laws and their mates are always moaning about the breakdown, time in play, choke tackle, Bath, scrum collapse, Bath....oh and Bath.
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Re: 5 Laws you'd like to see changed in rugby

Post by Nizzle1 » Wed Feb 25, 2015 9:02 pm

h's dad wrote:
Nizzle1 wrote:Personally i wouldn't have stoppage time, but allow the fourth official, tmo, or even the ref if they wanted, stop the clock for things like scrums, line-outs and penalty kicks until the ball is live and in play again. This way the ref can take his time making the correct decisions at scrum time, it becomes impossible to run the clock down in line-outs etc and means the spectators actually get 80 minutes of rugby they deserve! not the 60 odd we get currently!
Hi Nizzle. can you let me know who you're watching to get 60 minutes of live rugby in a game?

A bit out of date but:
http://www.theroar.com.au/2012/09/03/ho ... ch-really/
ah! it seems i was being too optimistic to begin with! even more of a reason to stop the clock then!

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Re: 5 Laws you'd like to see changed in rugby

Post by Grimlish » Wed Feb 25, 2015 9:15 pm

I'd like to see the sin period 10 minutes extended to 15 or even 20 minutes. Its too easy for teams to run the clock down currently. Another related idea would be to give the ref the option to extend the period of the sin bin by up to 5 minutes for each occasion he sees time wasting during the binning. This idea could also be applied to periods of normal play (ie 15:15) - allow the ref to add time to the clock when he sees a side wasting time (eg at line-outs, scrums) and trying to gain advantage from it.

Could do all of these course.

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Re: 5 Laws you'd like to see changed in rugby

Post by MrPartridge » Wed Feb 25, 2015 10:27 pm

I hate the delay at line-outs
Agreed… fed up of the 'fly-half boots it out and the the forwards have a natter and an amble up the line when they fancy it'.

Austin Healey 'bless him he can talk some sense' also hates this and has suggested that the kicking team have 30 seconds from booting it out until a re-start.. if not, the other team take the line-out.

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Re: 5 Laws you'd like to see changed in rugby

Post by MrPartridge » Wed Feb 25, 2015 10:31 pm

A controversial one from me before bedtime…

I'd change the knock-on rule TO if you drop the ball from a pass or kick (uncontested) the opposing team get a scrum. None of this, did the ball go back or not debate. Catching is a simple skill… if you can't do it you don't deserve possession IMO!

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Re: 5 Laws you'd like to see changed in rugby

Post by northerntiger » Wed Feb 25, 2015 11:10 pm

MrPartridge wrote:A controversial one from me before bedtime…

I'd change the knock-on rule TO if you drop the ball from a pass or kick (uncontested) the opposing team get a scrum. None of this, did the ball go back or not debate. Catching is a simple skill… if you can't do it you don't deserve possession IMO!
That pretty much happens anyway!

I'd like to see something to stop the more powerful scrummaging teams 'winning' penalties. Maybe the ref can shout "use it" when the ball is available similar to a ruck. Heresy, probably, for a Tigers fan, but I don't like watching teams get penalties simply by being better.

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Re: 5 Laws you'd like to see changed in rugby

Post by strawclearer » Thu Feb 26, 2015 1:21 am

Allow substitution for injury only which would encourage lighter, fitter players who could last 80 minutes. Ban lifting in the lineouts which would favour these lighter, fitter players. Lineouts would become more competitive (and enjoyable) and safer as players would not be coming down from the heights they do now. Reducing the average weight of players would result in less ‘car-crash’ rugby; more open and attractive rugby played at a faster pace and far fewer impact and joint injuries. Enforce a genuine 'not straight' law for put-ins to encourage hookers to hook rather than being the third prop. Ban Stuart Barnes…just because.
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Re: 5 Laws you'd like to see changed in rugby

Post by arickett » Thu Feb 26, 2015 7:53 am

45 minute halves with the advent of professional players growth of sub use and the mess round scrums this make sense.

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Re: 5 Laws you'd like to see changed in rugby

Post by doublecarpet » Thu Feb 26, 2015 8:38 am

Not so much a rule change, but look at the bonus point being introduced into the 6 Nations.

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Re: 5 Laws you'd like to see changed in rugby

Post by mightymouse » Thu Feb 26, 2015 10:05 am

I agree with a lot of what has already been said - especially making the ball come in straight at scrums and enforcing hookers to hook - if not scrum half off- props going down- off - charging or pushing before the ball in - penalty - repeat it someone off.

I agree - ban lifting in lineouts
I agree - get rid of quick throws
I agree - wasting time at line outs and running clock down - penalty

I think the ball trapped in the maul should be given to the team who were going forwards

But my biggest 2 things would be ( as said on here recently) ban the launching through the air to catch a ball so that nobody can touch you! and I would start by banning leading with knees or boots - anyone flying through the air leading with those should be the ones off the field for dangerous play.

and the most important all (all of which are pretty much going back to the laws as they used to be ) is bring back the old ruck law (law 16 if memory serves correctly) - once the ball carrier is tackled and hits the floor EVERYONE must leave the ball alone( no re-positioning or placing) The next man in constitutes a ruck and therefore the ball may only be played by the feet - NO HANDS until received at the back of the ruck by the scrumhalf or acting scrum half. This would lead to much faster ball fewer pile ups and less injury. A good rucking attacking team will get more space and more pace, however we would not get this stalemate, trench warfare we get now because body position as you go into the tackle is everything and the art of the defensive tackle (a la Dean Richards ) would be back -defence turned into attack by a great turn tackle putting the ball carrier on the wrong side and giving the defending forwards the opportunity to counter ruck and win the ball,

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Re: 5 Laws you'd like to see changed in rugby

Post by tigerburnie » Thu Feb 26, 2015 10:29 am

Proper rucking would prevent any hands on the ball or holding on, you sure as heck wouldn't get caught on the wrong side too often in a game either.
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