Noddy555 wrote:For JGriffin totally agree with you on this griff. The cheapest Man utd season ticket is well over a £1000 now. Just imagine iof you are young and unemployed existing on £72 a week, there isn't a cat in hells chance of being able to afford any of the season tickets in the top 2 divisions of the English game. And if you could get hold of a family box at Old Trafford for the season you are talking more than £30,000. It is not only sad it is scandalous.
Who is to blame for this, Noddy?
And why is supply and demand scandalous?
I didn't have you down as a communist.
I am neither clever enough to understand nor stupid enough to play this game
On the plus side at least with BT you can watch 3# Premiership games on most weekends without having to spend a fortune buying a dirty digger rip off package (I object to giving that man any of my hard earned money). I also think the commentary is a lot better with the BT team, particularly when Ben is in tandem with Aus.
It's a shame they have lost the Top14 games to Sky but Sky's positioning in the European TV market I guess it was inevitable. BT may struggle getting a share of the European Championship in future years.
Life can be unpredictable, so eat your pudding first!
Noggs wrote:On the plus side at least with BT you can watch 3# Premiership games on most weekends without having to spend a fortune buying a dirty digger rip off package (I object to giving that man any of my hard earned money). I also think the commentary is a lot better with the BT team, particularly when Ben is in tandem with Aus.
Couldn't disagree more - firstly it's only cheaper if you get BT sport with some other package. And even then it's only relevant if you don't want Sky Sports anyway for their other coverage.
Secondly the commentary is dire and juvenile in the extreme and is nowhere near the professional standards Sky produced.
For when the One Great Scorer comes to write against your name,
He marks - not that you won or lost - but how you played the Game."
I do have a telephone/internet/TV package which works out well for me. In terms of match analysis Ben K is head and shoulders above anything Barnes has to offer. Some of his inane comments make me wonder whether he's ever played the game!
It's also important that there is some competition to the Sky media empire. Without BT you can bet you would be paying a lot more for Sky Sports.
Life can be unpredictable, so eat your pudding first!
For H's Dad. There you go again engaging your typing fingers before your brain
I'm not a communist or even a slightly pink socialist. I will tell you who is responsible for most of the greed around these days. Human Nature and irresponsible reporting by a clique of newspapers mostly from the Murdoch camp but there are others. To me a responsible Football club is Newcastle United, they always try and live within their means and treat their fans with a great deal of respect as do Liverpool. They understand that the ordinary working class bloke (Oh how I hate the word class) cannot afford the sky high prices of Man U, Man C, Chelsea and most of the other London clubs.
Regardless of how much it may anger people, it is what it is, the Clubs have to accord with agreements they have made with various TV companies, and discussions about class and communism are not really appropriate to this topic. Therefore I ask people to stick to discussing the topic thread.
And as I have said numerous times before, if you have personal bickering and backbiting attacks against another user, please take them to PM or leave off. The forum is for civil discussion and not for insulting or personal attacks.
Don't waste your time away thinking about yesterday's blues
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Noddy555 wrote:For H's Dad. There you go again engaging your typing fingers before your brain
I'm not a communist or even a slightly pink socialist. I will tell you who is responsible for most of the greed around these days. Human Nature and irresponsible reporting by a clique of newspapers mostly from the Murdoch camp but there are others. To me a responsible Football club is Newcastle United, they always try and live within their means and treat their fans with a great deal of respect as do Liverpool. They understand that the ordinary working class bloke (Oh how I hate the word class) cannot afford the sky high prices of Man U, Man C, Chelsea and most of the other London clubs.
I was right about the flat cap. Newcastle and Manchester United season tickets both start around the £500 mark with Liverpool over £700. The fact that people are voluntarily prepared to pay it and that in some cases there is an excess of demand, often from people more ‘ordinary’ than you apparently realise, is an indication that the price is not excessive. Elizabeth Taylor had it right.
Sorry Rizzo, I’m done.
I am neither clever enough to understand nor stupid enough to play this game
h's dad wrote:The fact that people are voluntarily prepared to pay it and that in some cases there is an excess of demand, often from people more ‘ordinary’ than you apparently realise . . .
The greatest trick capitalism pulls is to create both the conditions of inequality and a desire in people to retain the status quo.
The fact that 'ordinary' people are prepared to pay to watch people get paid inordinate amounts of money for kicking a ball around doesn't mean the system is not iniquitous.
Similarly, privatisation is considered the 'done thing' despite energy prices and rail fares rising for the benefit of the shareholder (quite often large banks and overseas businesses). Wealthy foreign investors buying property, rendering it inert, causing the prices to shoot up is wrong. But wait, we won't do anything about it because it's easier to have a go at the average immigrant.
jgriffin wrote:Surprisingly not every Tigers supporter is a Kipper. Some are Marxists, and not just the Groucho variety.
And quite right too, I shouldn't want to be a member if Tigers conformed to the stereotype for a rugby club, variety from the terrace to the sponsors boxes gives us a broad support base. A great strength and much more interesting too!
Skin_and_Muscle wrote:... privatisation is considered the 'done thing' despite energy prices and rail fares rising for the benefit of the shareholder ...
It's been my experience that the shareholders as drivers of the railways have been far better for the punters than the 'good old days' when the railways were run solely for the benefit of the rail unions. In those days there was no pretence that trains should offer a service, be clean and in good repair, or be on time! Just remember it wasn't private enterprise that wielded the Beeching axe: a plan initiated under the conservatives and executed under labour.
For when the One Great Scorer comes to write against your name,
He marks - not that you won or lost - but how you played the Game."
Trying valiantly to get off the PPE route with this thread, how long did anybody stay with the Rugby Club programme on Monday? We lasted until the first advert break - talk about inane!
My Leicester City season ticket cost me roughly £450 and I pay it in instalments via direct debit, all clubs offer that that's how people pay them. What is the average season ticket price for the Tigers?
Like it or not Football drives the sporting economy in this country, I often see threads moaning about the way Rugby is ran and its their fault again, if TPTB at Twickers took a few plays from their Premier League counterparts about their marketing and presentation they would get more coverage and a higher profile.
Rugby IS a minority sport, Tigers have the biggest ground in the country and have been a top side for my entire lifetime as far as I can remember yet LCFC's attendance figures, in the second tier of English football after 10 years outside the top flight including 1 season in the third tier, we still beating that of Leicester Tigers and there are a few sides still in the second tier that were beating Leicester City last season.
Its simple supply and demand, the media know what the general public want so give it to them.
BT Sport should have the live Saturday game on BTS2 to allow for a full build up and coverage uninterupted
Jimmy Skitz wrote:My Leicester City season ticket cost me roughly £450 and I pay it in instalments via direct debit, all clubs offer that that's how people pay them. What is the average season ticket price for the Tigers?
Like it or not Football drives the sporting economy in this country, I often see threads moaning about the way Rugby is ran and its their fault again, if TPTB at Twickers took a few plays from their Premier League counterparts about their marketing and presentation they would get more coverage and a higher profile.
Rugby IS a minority sport, Tigers have the biggest ground in the country and have been a top side for my entire lifetime as far as I can remember yet LCFC's attendance figures, in the second tier of English football after 10 years outside the top flight including 1 season in the third tier, we still beating that of Leicester Tigers and there are a few sides still in the second tier that were beating Leicester City last season.
Its simple supply and demand, the media know what the general public want so give it to them.
BT Sport should have the live Saturday game on BTS2 to allow for a full build up and coverage uninterupted
For a minority sport Tigers are doing quite well compared to Leicester City. City averaged a gate of 24.9k compared to Tigers 22.8k. After taking account of the fact that glory seekers boosted the City attendances (e.g 31k attendance for game against Doncaster!!) their average is not impressive. Also some rugby clubs do not have big support at home let alone to away games so its actually quite remarkable that Tigers average nearly 23k. Certainly in Leicester Rugby cannot be considered a minority sport. If the away support for the other clubs was anywhere close to football away support then Tigers would quite easily eclipse LCFC. Having said that country wide Rugby is still a minority sport. BT Sport are showing the rugby games on BTS2 but still no build up!
Of course this is my own opinion and other posters may have a different perceived factual viewpoint.
