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Re: Citing?

Post by Tigerbeat » Sun May 18, 2014 10:02 pm

The citing was made by the Citing Commissioner Buster White. There is no evidence that it was brought to his attention by Nothampton. Let the disciplinary deal with it.
Rugby is a game and accidents happen, some intentional. TheCiting process will deal with those players guilty of foul play.

Lets try and show how fans behave in rug by and set a good example for others to follow. I am off to Twickenham with some friends who support Saints...am going to enjoy the banter with them.
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Re: Citing?

Post by GT1 » Sun May 18, 2014 10:03 pm

Didn't we help Sarries get Melck's red card overturned & of course we don't cite!

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Re: Citing?

Post by sapajo » Sun May 18, 2014 10:06 pm

Tigerbeat wrote:The citing was made by the Citing Commissioner Buster White. There is no evidence that it was brought to his attention by Nothampton. Let the disciplinary deal with it.
Rugby is a game and accidents happen, some intentional. TheCiting process will deal with those players guilty of foul play.

Lets try and show how fans behave in rug by and set a good example for others to follow. I am off to Twickenham with some friends who support Saints...am going to enjoy the banter with them.

More importantly enjoy the match :smt023
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Re: Citing?

Post by Hot_Charlie » Sun May 18, 2014 10:14 pm

Tigerbeat wrote:The citing was made by the Citing Commissioner Buster White. There is no evidence that it was brought to his attention by Nothampton. Let the disciplinary deal with it.
Rugby is a game and accidents happen, some intentional. TheCiting process will deal with those players guilty of foul play.
Indeed. I suspect they look at any incident where there is evidence of "afters" when they go through the match. In this case Burrell reacted as he probably had felt a hand run over his face as Williams was cleared out. Hopefully nothing more in it. Certainly 2 minutes later in the coverage there is no visible damage to Burrell's eyes or face.

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Re: Citing?

Post by Tigerbeat » Sun May 18, 2014 10:15 pm

Cheers Sapajo, always good day out at Twickenham.....would have been even better if Tigers were there......but thats life.

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Re: Citing?

Post by Darc Tiger » Sun May 18, 2014 10:18 pm

Doesn't look like to get concerned about on that footage. Perhaps some accidental contact, but to cite for gouging going by that footage seems a bit much.

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Re: Citing?

Post by sapajo » Sun May 18, 2014 10:22 pm

Well I find it very strange that in an attempt to fly hack the ball you can legitimately kick an opponent in the head in the act of doing so :smt017

So much for the concept of a Duty of care.
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Re: Citing?

Post by Tigerbeat » Sun May 18, 2014 10:26 pm

Darc Tiger wrote:Doesn't look like to get concerned about on that footage. Perhaps some accidental contact, but to cite for gouging going by that footage seems a bit much.

If that is the incident that they are referring to, Owen goes over the ball with his left hand about a foot away from the face of Burrell. A Saints player smashes him on the shoulder forcing him backwards. The hand comes into contact with the face but there is no intention and the hit carries his hand back into the face of Burrell.
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Re: Citing?

Post by Darc Tiger » Sun May 18, 2014 10:46 pm

Tigerbeat wrote:
Darc Tiger wrote:Doesn't look like to get concerned about on that footage. Perhaps some accidental contact, but to cite for gouging going by that footage seems a bit much.

If that is the incident that they are referring to, Owen goes over the ball with his left hand about a foot away from the face of Burrell. A Saints player smashes him on the shoulder forcing him backwards. The hand comes into contact with the face but there is no intention and the hit carries his hand back into the face of Burrell.
Looks to me like Williams compete for the ball at the ruck. 2 Saints try to clear him out without much success, Burrell comes in and secures the ball. Getting in a position with his head under Williams' chest. Then Williams attempts to free himself from the ruck. Haywood is grappling him, and he is grappling Burrell. Williams has his arms around the Burrell head area for about a second, but that is purely as a consequence of Williams attempted contest for the ball and Burrell positioning in securing the ball. I can't see concious effort to go for the eyes. Looks like Burrell takes exception to being held, which is fair enough, but that's about it.

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Re: Citing?

Post by jgriffin » Mon May 19, 2014 9:53 am

I am glad that most Stains/Tigers fans get on well; apparently so do some of the players, but I see the hand of management in this and several other claims made. The Stains/Tigers rivalry seems to exist solely in the heads of Mallinder/West and one or two others at a high level. Cockers behaviour towards fans and players of both sides seems with rancour and he has lost a lot of his angry fat boy demeanour. Why don't Mallinder and West acquire some dignity, as Cockers has done? :smt017
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Re: Citing?

Post by MarchingIn » Mon May 19, 2014 10:46 am

Skin_and_Muscle wrote:So why allow Burrell to drag a young, talented (envy?), and clean player's name through the mud?
You have no idea whether Luther Burrell has any involvement in the citing, but you are happy to drag his name through the mud..?

Hope he didn't do it - would seem very out of character.

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Re: Citing?

Post by tigerburnie » Mon May 19, 2014 11:36 am

I have to say there seems to be a few posts that smack of poor losers attitude, as tigerbeat says, let the committee sort out the evidence rather than this vitriolic football type of poor sportsmanship.
The committe may take one look and say,"nothing to see here", let's wait and see what is the outcome and we have some evidence to discuss.
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Re: Citing?

Post by SuperEagle » Mon May 19, 2014 12:43 pm

tigerburnie wrote:I have to say there seems to be a few posts that smack of poor losers attitude, as tigerbeat says, let the committee sort out the evidence rather than this vitriolic football type of poor sportsmanship.
The committe may take one look and say,"nothing to see here", let's wait and see what is the outcome and we have some evidence to discuss.
Well said

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Owen Williams

Post by i8work » Wed May 21, 2014 1:55 pm

Any idea why he was cited, didn't seem to be any video evidence? and its been adjourned....

Any comment from the club - It seems to me everyones been very quiet about it given the serious nature of the allegation and from what I can see virtually no evidence of wrongdoing. Has Burrell made a comment?

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Re: Citing for Owen Williams

Post by sapajo » Fri May 23, 2014 9:07 am

Have I missed something? The silence concerning this citing hearing adjournment is deafening :smt017 Unbelievable
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