12T or not 12T - the nation holds its breath....

[G.K]

Ban 'em both.

[Smurphswillgetya]

Can you please translate this into English so I can understand what it is your on about?
Your comments lack sense or reason. But then how can you talk sense and reason to someone who is neither sensible or reasonable?

Well if you cannot read English I suggest you go back to school. If you want to wallow in misery that is your right, if I am happy with the Tigers team and the coaches that is my right. From your postings you do not appear to be reasonable or sensible so it's like the kettle calling the pot black. Before Rizzo gets upset let's just agree for once on one thing and that is that we are unlikely to see eye to eye.

I am not upset in the slightest, but I do suggest that you either agree to disagree and be civil about it or you take your personal bickering back and forth to PM or elsewhere.

Apologies miss, may I request punishment by whip and knee length leather boots

[APJones]

And its a try for Billy Twelvetrees

point made
five actually

[jgriffin]

And its a try for Billy Twelvetrees

point made
five actually

And a superb debut......dare I say it - merited and showing great promise as an international.
Given Barritt's poor showing, a 12T & Manu pairing looks imminent.

[WhitecapTiger]

And its a try for Billy Twelvetrees

point made
five actually

And a superb debut......dare I say it - merited and showing great promise as an international.
Given Barritt's poor showing, a 12T & Manu pairing looks imminent.

I too would play 12T at 12 and Manu at 13, but SCW thinks Manu should be on the bench to come on.....really???

[LE18]

Penny for Cockers thoughts!

[jgriffin]

Penny for Cockers thoughts!

Won't even cross his mind.

[PM76]

And its a try for Billy Twelvetrees

point made
five actually

And a superb debut......dare I say it - merited and showing great promise as an international.
Given Barritt's poor showing, a 12T & Manu pairing looks imminent.

I too would play 12T at 12 and Manu at 13, but SCW thinks Manu should be on the bench to come on.....really???

Keep the 23 as it is and release Manu back to Tigers!!!

Seriously though I would play Manu at 13 with Billy at 12. I'd be surprised if Barritt and Billy didn't start next week though. If Morgan is injured it will be interesting who plays 8, would like to see Kvesic have a go at 7 with Robshaw/ Wood at 8. YBY and Farrell were v.impressive, forwards were strong. The England bench is excellent too, could be important next week when it's likely to be tighter.

[mike]

12trees played very well and perhaps next week we will have the centre partnership that Tigers cried out for . Cockerill - I hope you saw that .

[tigerburnie]

What has any of this got to do with Cockers,he didn't sack Billy, he got a better offer and left,it's a shame,but time to move on,well played Billy,nice steady start to an international career.

[hugh78]

what it has to do with Cockers is that some people need someone to blame! Me, I'm chuffed England have such strength in depth, including a new distributing 12 and I'm hoping that Cockers is thinking about how to beat London Welsh!

[Darc Tiger]

Fair play Billy. Well done lad.

As for how it relates to us, Gloucester lose a good player for half the season (and could benefit England), and Tigers have a good player (Allen) for the whole season.

Not a bad deal to me.

[mol2]

What has any of this got to do with Cockers,he didn't sack Billy, he got a better offer and left,it's a shame,but time to move on,well played Billy,nice steady start to an international career.

Sacked - perhaps not. Given no other option to further England prospects.

Stay at Tigers and be back up fly half or back up inside centre?

Steady start? Bit better than that. Reminded me of Will Greenwood.

[tigerburnie]

Sacked - perhaps not. Given no other option to further England prospects.

Stay at Tigers and be back up fly half or back up inside centre?

Steady start? Bit better than that. Reminded me of Will Greenwood.

Stay at Tigers and become a much better player springs to mind and Billy is potentially much better than another ex Tiger who had to leave Welford Road as he was struggling to get a start.
What part of "if you are good enough you play" do you not understand?
Billy got a start today that he would not have got if Manu(the bloke he couldn't shift in the Tigers shirt)was fit,he took his chances played solidly and I'm sure will get better.He will probably be on the bench next week if Manu is fit.
Well played Billy and well played Owen Farrell, had a much better game today.

[G.K]

What has any of this got to do with Cockers,he didn't sack Billy, he got a better offer and left,it's a shame,but time to move on,well played Billy,nice steady start to an international career.

What it's got to do with Cockers is that (unlike Ford) 12T was not managed well at all by him. He should have had more starts than he did at 12 but even when Allen was injured he did not.

As for next week - it's a no-brainer - if Manu is fit he starts at 13 with 12T at 12, Barritt to be dropped.