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Cockers and MOC

Post by Bill W (2) » Mon Jan 14, 2013 12:14 am

Top Coaches of the modern era!

Squad rotation. Tactical impact substitutions. Variable game plans.

Board likely not impressed with absence of first three however. Nor am I,

Hey ho - does silverware matter?

We are but a team in progress - er...... progressing backwards??

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Re: Cockers and MOC

Post by Grannyman » Mon Jan 14, 2013 7:18 am

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Re: Cockers and MOC

Post by Purebob » Mon Jan 14, 2013 7:49 am

Simple Bill: just name some replacement candidates who have a better record than RC and MOC when managing within the confines of:

* Premiership - or an equivalently week-in-week out threshing machine league
* Salary cap equivalent to 1/10th of several HEC competitors
* Huge numbers of international callups for 1/3 of the season

Then I'll take your calls for changes seriously.

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Re: Cockers and MOC

Post by os99 » Mon Jan 14, 2013 8:15 am

Bill W (2) wrote:Top Coaches of the modern era!

Squad rotation. Tactical impact substitutions. Variable game plans.

Board likely not impressed with absence of first three however. Nor am I,

Hey ho - does silverware matter?

We are but a team in progress - er...... progressing backwards??

:smt013 :smt013 :smt013
Were one win home win away from topping a pool, with the French, Italian and Celtic champions in it.

Get behind the team.

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Re: Cockers and MOC

Post by jgriffin » Mon Jan 14, 2013 8:25 am

As I've said before, no problem with Cockers, except his substitution policy and favourite players issues; plenty of problems with MOC and Plan A. We need a good backs coach and a specialist defence coach - surely the Ospreys match showed that?
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Re: Cockers and MOC

Post by GT1 » Mon Jan 14, 2013 8:28 am

If at first you don't succeed try try your stupid thread again :smt015

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Re: Cockers and MOC

Post by Ads677 » Mon Jan 14, 2013 9:55 am

If the personalities of our coaches are ignored, and let's just say we were Ospreys' supporters, what view would we take of Tigers' performance(s)?

Might we say predictable, ponderous, lacking in depth, inflexible, momentary madnesses, etc?

Or might we say powerful, resilient, never say die, flashes of brilliance, etc?

I'd suggest that we have, without doubt, the players to make a very good team, but we don't play as a team for maybe 60% of the time. Too often, even when we win (which is, after all, more often than not), we seem to be left with the feeling that we actually lost or the opposition failed to win!

To me, the game against Ospreys highlighted the following:

Poor kicking continues;
No depth to our attacks;
No offloading and almost always going to ground, thus allowing defences to reorganise;
Not playing to our strengths (and conversely allowing the opposition to play to theirs).

And finally (and probably controversially) that a change in the scrum Laws (again) where the 'hit' is abandoned would actually benefit our very strong scrummagers, which we witnessed a number of times when the front rows did not immediately collapse.

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Re: Cockers and MOC

Post by longlivethecrumbie » Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:09 am

Ads677 wrote:And finally (and probably controversially) that a change in the scrum Laws (again) where the 'hit' is abandoned would actually benefit our very strong scrummagers, which we witnessed a number of times when the front rows did not immediately collapse.
It would also give the props a proper opportunity to bind on these ridiculously tight fitting shirts!

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Re: Cockers and MOC

Post by tigerburnie » Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:25 am

Funnily enough the majority of Ospreys fans on their forum are proud of their team for containing the Tigers, they have a few moaners who blame the kicker for hitting the woodwork and costing them the game. The realists,who like here, are in the vast majority, think it was a cracking cup tie between two great teams that could have gone either way.
For the "pot hunters" to claim failure at this stage of the game is both immature and incorrect.
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Re: Cockers and MOC

Post by old one eye » Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:39 am

Another boring fishing trip :smt015 :smt015

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Re: Cockers and MOC

Post by Smudge » Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:48 am

they have a few moaners who blame the kicker for hitting the woodwork and costing them the game.


Well winning a knock-out match is all important but winning well is all the more enjoyable. So we scraped a lucky draw. Zeeeesh!
Ospreys were the better side by a mile and played all the attractive rugby. Frankly they could and should have won. We would have no complaints if they had.

Is this really a team in progress? Time for a radical re-think.
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Re: Cockers and MOC

Post by Cardiff Tig » Mon Jan 14, 2013 11:19 am

Smudge wrote:
they have a few moaners who blame the kicker for hitting the woodwork and costing them the game.


Well winning a knock-out match is all important but winning well is all the more enjoyable. So we scraped a lucky draw. Zeeeesh!
Ospreys were the better side by a mile and played all the attractive rugby. Frankly they could and should have won. We would have no complaints if they had.

Is this really a team in progress? Time for a radical re-think.
Ospreys may have played the more attractive rugby but it was also very ineffective when you look at the possession stats. And we scored the same amount of tries as they did, so clearly it wasn't particularly more threatening either.

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Re: Cockers and MOC

Post by longlivethecrumbie » Mon Jan 14, 2013 11:36 am

I'm not a doom monger nor am I a happy clapper, I'm a fan and I want my team to win as frequently as possible and as well as possible.

The feeling I get from a large volume of the opinions expressed on this forum that Tigers would be :censored: no matter what they did.

If they played a more expansive game and leaked tries, the doom mongers would moan that we were not as tight defensively as they believed we should be and would yearn for the days of 'stick it up your jumper, don't give 'em an inch' rugby that saw us squeeze the life out of opponents and win 7 points to nil.

If Cockers and MOC stay on then the board are short sighted and their brand of rugby is poor and we won't reach the HC quarters and won't win the play offs etc. On the other hand, if they are sacked and replaced by a set of coaches who are less successful than we have been then the doom mongers will complain that we should have stuck with Cockers and MOC all along.

Whichever way Tigers go, it appears to me, they can't win.

My question really for the doom mongers amongst us is, if we won the LV, the HV and the Premiership all in the same season but playing the same style of rugby as we have been, would you be satisfied? Will you ever be satisfied?

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Re: Cockers and MOC

Post by Smurphswillgetya » Mon Jan 14, 2013 11:47 am

longlivethecrumbie wrote:I'm not a doom monger nor am I a happy clapper, I'm a fan and I want my team to win as frequently as possible and as well as possible.

The feeling I get from a large volume of the opinions expressed on this forum that Tigers would be :censored: no matter what they did.

If they played a more expansive game and leaked tries, the doom mongers would moan that we were not as tight defensively as they believed we should be and would yearn for the days of 'stick it up your jumper, don't give 'em an inch' rugby that saw us squeeze the life out of opponents and win 7 points to nil.

If Cockers and MOC stay on then the board are short sighted and their brand of rugby is poor and we won't reach the HC quarters and won't win the play offs etc. On the other hand, if they are sacked and replaced by a set of coaches who are less successful than we have been then the doom mongers will complain that we should have stuck with Cockers and MOC all along.

Whichever way Tigers go, it appears to me, they can't win.

My question really for the doom mongers amongst us is, if we won the LV, the HV and the Premiership all in the same season but playing the same style of rugby as we have been, would you be satisfied? Will you ever be satisfied?
Dont be silly! There are the pies, the bar, the lack of scantily clad young ladies, tanoy system, ball boys, stewards, tartan brigade and Tigers chant and a whole host of things to moan about, they will never be satisfied! For example if we had scantily clad young ladies,they would probably not do the splits as well as the Sarries or Quins ladies! :smt026 :smt026
Of course this is my own opinion and other posters may have a different perceived factual viewpoint.

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Re: Cockers and MOC

Post by os99 » Mon Jan 14, 2013 12:07 pm

longlivethecrumbie wrote:I'm not a doom monger nor am I a happy clapper, I'm a fan and I want my team to win as frequently as possible and as well as possible.

The feeling I get from a large volume of the opinions expressed on this forum that Tigers would be :censored: no matter what they did.

If they played a more expansive game and leaked tries, the doom mongers would moan that we were not as tight defensively as they believed we should be and would yearn for the days of 'stick it up your jumper, don't give 'em an inch' rugby that saw us squeeze the life out of opponents and win 7 points to nil.

If Cockers and MOC stay on then the board are short sighted and their brand of rugby is poor and we won't reach the HC quarters and won't win the play offs etc. On the other hand, if they are sacked and replaced by a set of coaches who are less successful than we have been then the doom mongers will complain that we should have stuck with Cockers and MOC all along.

Whichever way Tigers go, it appears to me, they can't win.

My question really for the doom mongers amongst us is, if we won the LV, the HV and the Premiership all in the same season but playing the same style of rugby as we have been, would you be satisfied? Will you ever be satisfied?
I doubt they'll be satisfied even if we won those competitions playing an expansive style

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