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Next England Captain
On Sky Sports tonight, there was brief interview with Dylan Hartley being suggested as a potential candidate for England Captain.
Would the panel consider this a wise choice?
Would the panel consider this a wise choice?
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I don't think he does a bad job at Stains and is certainly number 1 in his position in the country.
Still question marks over his temperament though.
Still question marks over his temperament though.
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Surely has to be someone whos got the shirt nailed down and the only person who has is crofty, with woods coming a close 2nd.
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Don't be stupid,what with the London-centric media, got to be Farrell
Personally I'd go for Robshaw, who I think is excellent and has the warrior spirit.
Personally I'd go for Robshaw, who I think is excellent and has the warrior spirit.
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I agree JG, Robshaw should be the man, if he can make the step up. Hartley is rarely on the field for the full game, and is too easy to wind up, and too temperamental.
The team needs to develop leaders more than it needs a "captain".
Don't rule out YBY in the future, or Toby.
The team needs to develop leaders more than it needs a "captain".
Don't rule out YBY in the future, or Toby.
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to be fair hartley is a lot better than he used to be, his temperament has improved loads since saints made him captain.
hartley is probably the only choice that is guaranteed to be number 1 in his position throughout the whole six nations - the back row has too many choices and unknowns to make anyone captain yet and no one is guaranteed a place.
hartley is probably the only choice that is guaranteed to be number 1 in his position throughout the whole six nations - the back row has too many choices and unknowns to make anyone captain yet and no one is guaranteed a place.
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I too am in the Robshaw camp for captain. But is he an international 7?
If he isn't he probably isn't our best 6. In which case is he our best 8?
All good questions which are perhaps the basis for another discussion.
But the only way to find our if the answer to the first question is yes, is to pick him there for at least a couple of games and see.
If he isn't he probably isn't our best 6. In which case is he our best 8?
All good questions which are perhaps the basis for another discussion.
But the only way to find our if the answer to the first question is yes, is to pick him there for at least a couple of games and see.
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Pick your side then pick your captain otherwise you weaken your side and put the captain in an impossible situation - remember when Phil DeGlanville was made captain in spite of Guscott and Carling being absolutely streets ahead of him as centres.
Talk of Robshaw being captain are premature unless Lancaster is certain he is a certainty in the side. I don't see that as sensible until he's actually proven himself as a regular starter.
How many certainties are there in the England side? Manu, Youngs, Cole, Ashton and Hartley and only one of those has any experience as a captain. Even Croft isn't a nailed on starter - much depends on the overall make up of the back row.
For me it has to be Hartley although the front row isn't an ideal position to view what's going on.
Talk of Robshaw being captain are premature unless Lancaster is certain he is a certainty in the side. I don't see that as sensible until he's actually proven himself as a regular starter.
How many certainties are there in the England side? Manu, Youngs, Cole, Ashton and Hartley and only one of those has any experience as a captain. Even Croft isn't a nailed on starter - much depends on the overall make up of the back row.
For me it has to be Hartley although the front row isn't an ideal position to view what's going on.
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A couple of picks in the EPS suggest to me that Lancaster is somewhat enthralled by Stains at the moment. Hartley would therefore be my bet.
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With the squad the way it is at the moment I would pick the captain game by game. After the 6 nations, when things are a bit clearer, you can then pick your captain going forward.
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That's not a bad idea. After all, Stuart Lancaster has only got the job for the 6 Nations and, if he's not kept on afterwards, his successor could turn everything upside down and name their own captain. The idea of having a 'Captain for the Day' would keep the potential candidates for the permanent post interested. It would also reinforce the belief that this 6N campaign is going to be experimental and results will not be the be all and end all.Will S wrote:With the squad the way it is at the moment I would pick the captain game by game. After the 6 nations, when things are a bit clearer, you can then pick your captain going forward.
We've got tickets for the Italy match and my interest in this fixture has increased dramatically after the naming of the squad. I've honestly no idea how England will play and I believe the more experienced Italian side will think a famous scalp could be theirs for the taking.
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If only!BJ. wrote:That's not a bad idea. After all, Stuart Lancaster has only got the job for the 6 Nations and, if he's not kept on afterwards, his successor could turn everything upside down and name their own captain. The idea of having a 'Captain for the Day' would keep the potential candidates for the permanent post interested. It would also reinforce the belief that this 6N campaign is going to be experimental and results will not be the be all and end all.Will S wrote:With the squad the way it is at the moment I would pick the captain game by game. After the 6 nations, when things are a bit clearer, you can then pick your captain going forward.
We've got tickets for the Italy match and my interest in this fixture has increased dramatically after the naming of the squad. I've honestly no idea how England will play and I believe the more experienced Italian side will think a famous scalp could be theirs for the taking.
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A certain Sean Fitzpatrick might disagree with that!mol2 wrote: For me it has to be Hartley although the front row isn't an ideal position to view what's going on.
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I agree to an extent but I'd be tempted to name a captain for the tournament but make sure it is made clear that this is the case.BJ. wrote:That's not a bad idea. After all, Stuart Lancaster has only got the job for the 6 Nations and, if he's not kept on afterwards, his successor could turn everything upside down and name their own captain. The idea of having a 'Captain for the Day' would keep the potential candidates for the permanent post interested. It would also reinforce the belief that this 6N campaign is going to be experimental and results will not be the be all and end all.Will S wrote:With the squad the way it is at the moment I would pick the captain game by game. After the 6 nations, when things are a bit clearer, you can then pick your captain going forward.
Personally I would name Palmer as I think he is one of the big figures in the team, he is going to be first choice and he plays in a good position for a captain.
By doing it this way it gives us time to see which back row candidate will be in the starting line up and wheter Robshaw can make the jump to International level (I'm sure he will). The problem with naming Croft, Wood or Robshaw is that they all are primarily No. 6s so they might not all feature in a balanced back row so as good as they all are, can they be gaurenteed a place in the starting line up?
If Palmer is named for the tounament then Lancaster or whoever is incharge in the summer will have a better idea who his first choice lineup is and can name the captain accordingly.
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In many ways I think the captaincy issue is linked to Lancaster's back row selections. No real 7! I think he will go with Wood or Robshaw but they will have to play at 7, because Croft is by far the outstanding 6 in the country, and he simply adds an extra dimension to the team. If Lancaster had selected Saull od Saracens he would have been hard pushed to not pick him.
This concerns me and it is something Lancester cannot afford to do. His captain has to beable to hold off all oposition in his position and Croft is one of the few who can do that. I do not think he should be captain but who is is a real dilema.
This concerns me and it is something Lancester cannot afford to do. His captain has to beable to hold off all oposition in his position and Croft is one of the few who can do that. I do not think he should be captain but who is is a real dilema.