London Wasps v Leicester

[watsonjm]

Would have taken a point at the start of the day, but with 5 in the bag at half time it should have been a done deal. Wasps got lucky with Murph not kicking, nutting or just running the ball into touch. The back line almost functioned with cohersion until Staunton went off. After that it was downhill all the way and bye bye 3 points.
Any spare 10's around?
We should have won that! The refs interpretation of advantage was over generous.
Waldron is Deano in disguise and put in some good carries.
And yes get rid of the shirt. And get a defense coach.

Amen

[TigerCam]

This team is totally and utterly useless. So is the coaching staff. To lose after being 30-18 ahead shows that neither the team or the coaching staff have any idea on how to play to these new law changes. Saints don't seem to have a problem with it so why are tigers. Yet again Tigers have handed the opposition points on a plate through indiscipline,every piggin season they do it. 18 points given to Wasps penalties is a joke.

Tigers in the top 6 this season? You're havin a laugh.

Sorry g but I think they will get into the top 6, maybe the playoff even but that will as before only 'paper over the cracks' that have been there since Loffreda and Heyneke left. Poor coaching when you look at what Mallinder and Venter are doing!!

[Darc Tiger]

Will take two points. But with another 3 snatched away. Its a gutting feeling.

Its right for the fans to have a vent. But we were in the same state last season, and we came good. I am confident we can turn it around in time.

The signs of a great team are there. But they are not in eveidence for long enough!

[Big Dai]

Don't call me a muppet! Attack what I say, not me!

For a professional outfit that was capitulation! The half time talk should have been about pressure on their kicker, maintaining the intensity and not letting go. If 36 is not up to the mark then it's the mangements responsibility to make sure we have the resourses that are.

The squad is thin, in my view, as a result of poor signings and mismangement.

One and the same im affaird, what you say represents you. Unless ur don't say what you believe?

Never heard of the wage cap? We have flood, jazzer and ford. As it happens there all injured.

What do you want? The whole bench to be cover for 10?

Get a grip!

I've heard of a wage cap...........It's just a case of balance. I want a BETTER 10 than 36 on the bench...unless I'm very much mistaken I have not argued otherwise? I lay the blame at Cocker's feet for that as do some others on here. Do they need to get a grip as well?

[Andy W]

Leadership is the key I think.

When things are going wrong they seem to spiral out of control, and there is little sense that we have the cool heads and tactical nous to arrest the decline.

This is partially as this team is necessarily younger and with some new faces, and so has yet to gel into typical Tiger format!

The "tactical" kicking in the first half cost us so dearly, yet we kept repeating. Even so, we should have been out of sight until we decided to keep throwing the ball forward in contact.

Wasps are an extremely poor team this season but if you continually invite them to score points and implode in front of their eyes then they do indeed have the experience and talented enough players to take advantage (and even then it needed Geordie's unfortunate moment to seal it).

I don't know why Benny Youngs wasn't kicking, but he will need to in the next few matches. That 12 Trees chance would have put the game to bed but instead gave them hope (and I cant help feeling that Wayne rather enjoyed being part of the turn around picture - funny how momentum works).

I can't argue with some of the comments on individual players, to the extent that too many seem out of form - Woods for e.g. - while Skivington looks a shadow of the Saxon. Question mark whether some are out of form or plain just not good enough.

Anyway, there have been too many ghastly patches in all 3 games, for something not to be genuinely wrong with morale, organisation and leadership. It falls to Cockers to sort, and for those players with Tigers at their core to stand up and be counted, and to drag their colleagues with them...

[MurphysLaw]

[quote="Simmo"]All I can say is that must have been some half time team talk......

Actually no, I'll add a more contentious comment..........It's a good job we're playing Rugby union and not Cricket cause if that were Pakistan you know what would be in tomorrow mornings papers!![/quote]

Yup, you certainly would've got good odds on that second half perfomance

[Bill W (2)]

It falls to Cockers to sort, and for those players with Tigers at their core to stand up and be counted, and to drag their colleagues with them...

Absolurtely!!

The only visible leaders on the park were T. Croft Esq. and S. Hamilton Esq. The rest also played.

[Big Dai]

...........but does Cockers have the dressing room with him? Or has the sum of the departed weakened his position?

[Purebob]

I thought the set piece worked well first half. We asked tigers to improve that after the first two games and they did.

Losing all our final fly half specialist when a team are playing their first half decent half of footie together all season just threw the team into shock. I saw disarray and the lack of a "lock down" coping tactic that we have had seasons passim when we have lost important positions. That not an excuse, but I think it maybe be the reason.

36 was "ok" at centre but did not really pick up the gauntlet at ten at all. It was like we were playing with three centres and only one half back.

Ben Youngs really didn't play well either. Passes were inaccurate and none too fast.

I am struggling to think of another team with such a brutal first pick injury list as we have right now.

The one issue that really is inexplicable and unforgivable is the woeful lack of commitment and workrate in defence. I agree with the posters who say that Tigers have clearly not worked out how to play the new breakdown laws.

Much to work on lads ! COME ON YOU TIGERS !

[Bill W (2)]

...........but does Cockers have the dressing room with him? Or has the sum of the departed weakened his position?

Ah now there you ram your finger unerringly into the soft underbelly of the problem Big Dai.

Whatever he said at half time did not have the desired effect.

Maybe he is no longer preaching to the converted?

[tigerburnie]

I can't believe some of these comments,talk about fair weather ,unrealistic comments from (I pressume)adults.
We lost at saints and wasps,we usually do,most years.Now it's throw the baby out with the bath water time.
Some constructive comments,but not many,we have injuries and will get better than today.Champions don't turn to dust overnight,where's your faith(including you Bill).
I for one will get behind my team with support,not to stick knives in everyones back.
Have you never had a bad day at the office?

[Bill W (2)]

Champions don't turn to dust overnight,where's your faith(including you Bill).
I for one will get behind my team with support,not to stick knives in everyones back.

As I have commented on another thread, the faith is shaken but still intact.

The 15 (22, 30 odd) apostles do need to get their fingers out however, and their Director motivate them to so do!!

O & U

[drc_007]

I'm not sure the over-riding concern is the score. The concern is the lack of performance of some players.

[AidanMcDowell]

While I agree with Tigerburnie's sentiment it's not so much the losing that worries me but the MANNER of the losses. Yes, we lost at Saints and Wasps last season but never have I witnessed such abject capitulation as I saw in the first 40 v Exeter and the second 40 today. There is something deeply wrong that I fear may take a bit more than banging a few heads together on the training field for the next 7 days. Bath are up next and they'll raise their game for us. If we are genuinely short at 10 due to injuries we MUST look to bring someone in (if anyone can be found.) Henson is not available and (looking at his competition on SCD) will probably remain so for a few weeks yet, by which time, hopefully, Toby will be back. Cipriani? Probably wouldn't want to return to these shores now. Is there anyone on the French Top 14? I don't follow it all that closely. A number of posters have said we can't get any worse - I agree but my worry is that we continue throwing points away like we have done in the first three games. We don't have to get worse, just keep doing more of the same and our season will be over by Christmas.

[Mat]

We scorred 4 tries in the first half put none of them were exactly created it was individual skill from Wasp errors and messy back play form us

We have no abiltiy to play the fast flowing passing game that is required at the pace that is required. We have not adapted but neither have Wasps and many others . We will be there though in the end have faith it just takes time so stop the doom and gloom and sack the coach antics.

In defence we are leaking more which is no surprise with new interpretations and that we have a donkey pack with little pace.It wil improve as we get palyers back and learnt to play with an adapted style.

AS for the comments about another 10 salery cap mean no chance. We did need wings and wings with gas were in my opinion needed. Look at Varndell a great paochers try and a class cut the line and go. Why o why did they let him go