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Well done the Vest!

Post by Bill W (2) » Wed Sep 08, 2010 6:54 pm

Still keeping the faith!

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Re: Well done the Vest!

Post by captain_insaino » Wed Sep 08, 2010 8:43 pm

You played well in one game and have the whole season ahead of you, well done ! :smt003
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Re: Well done the Vest!

Post by Col_B » Wed Sep 08, 2010 11:41 pm

Was great to see him in action again. Would be great to see him in the internationals. I'm sure he'll get a warm welcome when Bath come up to Leicester.

Good luck Sam.

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Re: Well done the Vest!

Post by Daveyboy » Thu Sep 09, 2010 12:08 am

Indeed.

It's pleasing to see the paucity of "We should never have let him go" posts.

Best wishes Sam.
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Re: Well done the Vest!

Post by G.K » Thu Sep 09, 2010 7:55 am

We should never have let him go.
Nowadays referees decide matches, players by how much.

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Re: Well done the Vest!

Post by Pete » Thu Sep 09, 2010 9:36 am

It's good to see Vesty displaying for Bath the rugby gifts which I always perceived. He was never just a skilled player, but also very determined, positive and motivational, a leader by example.

He must count himself fortunate to be now playing for a team that considers such gifts to be important.

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Re: Well done the Vest!

Post by Will S » Thu Sep 09, 2010 11:19 am

Firstly, I am glad Sam is playing well and receiving the relevant praise. I don't think we can start claiming however that Bath are the answer to where Tigers failed him. He always came in to the Tigers team and did a great job when first team players were injured and that is all he is pretty much doing at Bath. When Butch is back from injury Sam will be relegated to the bench and with Barks at 12 he won't get a look in there unless there is an injury. In a fit squad for either Tigers or Bath Sam would not make the starting line up. What he does offer is extremley reliable cover from the bench. I still think Sam would have been better going to more of a mid table team where he would have been a regular starter.

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Re: Well done the Vest!

Post by Crumblies » Thu Sep 09, 2010 11:36 am

WE SHOULD NEVER HAVE LET HIM GO! How's that.

However completely agree with Will S's assessment.

Don't see him as a regular starter for Bath, Leicester, Northampton, Saracens etc. Leeds on the other hand.

Extremely valuable on the replacements bench, and IMHO much better option than Staunton.

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Re: Well done the Vest!

Post by tb1 » Thu Sep 09, 2010 11:39 am

Staunton is rarely broken and plays even when he is.

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Re: Well done the Vest!

Post by bluntiger » Thu Sep 09, 2010 11:41 am

Pete wrote:He must count himself fortunate to be now playing for a team that considers such gifts to be important.
Until Butch James returns and he is once again thrown into a familiar position .... on the bench.
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Re: Well done the Vest!

Post by bluntiger » Thu Sep 09, 2010 5:56 pm

bluntiger wrote:
Pete wrote:He must count himself fortunate to be now playing for a team that considers such gifts to be important.
Until Butch James returns and he is once again thrown into a familiar position .... on the bench.
Looks like Sam will get an extended run as Butch James is crocked.

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Re: Well done the Vest!

Post by POSTIGER » Thu Sep 09, 2010 6:40 pm

Will S wrote:Firstly, I am glad Sam is playing well and receiving the relevant praise. I don't think we can start claiming however that Bath are the answer to where Tigers failed him. He always came in to the Tigers team and did a great job when first team players were injured and that is all he is pretty much doing at Bath. When Butch is back from injury Sam will be relegated to the bench and with Barks at 12 he won't get a look in there unless there is an injury. In a fit squad for either Tigers or Bath Sam would not make the starting line up. What he does offer is extremley reliable cover from the bench. I still think Sam would have been better going to more of a mid table team where he would have been a regular starter.

Well said Will, spot on.

I think Sam has suffered in his career from being very, very good in a number of positions but not truly outstanding in any one. I played with him for Market Bosworth High School and then JCC and I thought he (and Ollie Smith too) was miles ahead of everyone else - Ollie played at 12 or 13 and Sam played more-or-less every game at 10 (sometimes 15). When they made the step up to playing professionally Ollie was allowed to settle in as a regular centre and was pumped up to the max whereas as Sam was deployed across the back line and never consistently in one position.

Perhaps if he's been a bit more selfish and said 'I'm a 10, play me at 10' then he would have made the Tigers FH jersey his own; however he was never the sort of personality to do that and perhaps Tigers would have given him short shrift if he had.
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Re: Well done the Vest!

Post by Goffer3404 » Thu Sep 09, 2010 10:49 pm

So Postiger you will know the Whitton.
Taught Vesty RE and coached the team.
Anecdotally: not a lot of RE in the front of the book, lots of rugby moves in the back.
Good luck to him. :smt023

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Re: Well done the Vest!

Post by DickyP » Fri Sep 10, 2010 4:49 pm

Crumblies wrote:WE SHOULD NEVER HAVE LET HIM GO! How's that.

However completely agree with Will S's assessment.

Don't see him as a regular starter for Bath, Leicester, Northampton, Saracens etc. Leeds on the other hand.

Extremely valuable on the replacements bench, and IMHO much better option than Staunton.
I agree with everything said about his career, but what people miss and what he showed time and again - he has a very, very good rugby brain: I'd rather have his level of skills (merely very good) and a real brain than excellent skills and no nouse (a certain Mr Cipriani for instance).
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