Bristol Vs Leicester
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Lots of interesting debate going on, but again let's look at the positives for saturdays game.
1. It is at welford Road
2. Pat is likely to pick a stronger team, and I mean no disrespect to those who played tonight
3. I can not think of many teams that come to Welford road and take 5 points. obviously things do happen but i think we will still manage to at least be in the playoffs and probably finish second
1. It is at welford Road
2. Pat is likely to pick a stronger team, and I mean no disrespect to those who played tonight
3. I can not think of many teams that come to Welford road and take 5 points. obviously things do happen but i think we will still manage to at least be in the playoffs and probably finish second
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Yeah I agree with Ziggy on this one. I think at weekend there will be a slightly stronger team put forward against wasps, I feel Pat has allowed players such as Ellis to rest after all this weekend alone was challenging enough, we cant expect the same players to play over and over especially if games are scheduled days apart etc.
If Wasps get a bonus point win on Saturday and we fail to get a losong bonus point, then both teams will have 66 points.
The method to determine who finishes higher it that situation is as follows I believe:-
1. No of wins
2. Leaque points
3. Match points difference
4. Match points total
5. Head to head record
In this scenario both teams will have the same number of wins.
They also both have the same number of wins plus draws and so theoretically the same number of league points. However - I think we will find that the one point deducted will be treated as a league point (as opposed to a bonus point) - and therefore Wasps would finish ahead of Tigers.
If I'm wrong and the point deducted is not taken into account, then Tigers points difference is currently 12 points better than Wasps, meaning that Wasps would need to beat us by 13 points.
At the end of all this I think the view that Tigers need a bonus point on Saturday to be sure of a playoff place is likely to be correct. But a win without a bonus point is not enough for Wasps and this also assumes that Sarries win and Bristol at least draw.
The method to determine who finishes higher it that situation is as follows I believe:-
1. No of wins
2. Leaque points
3. Match points difference
4. Match points total
5. Head to head record
In this scenario both teams will have the same number of wins.
They also both have the same number of wins plus draws and so theoretically the same number of league points. However - I think we will find that the one point deducted will be treated as a league point (as opposed to a bonus point) - and therefore Wasps would finish ahead of Tigers.
If I'm wrong and the point deducted is not taken into account, then Tigers points difference is currently 12 points better than Wasps, meaning that Wasps would need to beat us by 13 points.
At the end of all this I think the view that Tigers need a bonus point on Saturday to be sure of a playoff place is likely to be correct. But a win without a bonus point is not enough for Wasps and this also assumes that Sarries win and Bristol at least draw.
Oh well yet another 18 points GIFTED to the opposition because Tigers cannot keep there discipline in check. Still haven't learn't their lessons on that part of the game then.
Still I'm not the least surprised. And it has nothing to do with the structure of the season. Tigers always hand points to the opposition.
Still I'm not the least surprised. And it has nothing to do with the structure of the season. Tigers always hand points to the opposition.
Tweentown, you are right except that the 12-point differential can be overcome by a 7-point loss (14 points either way). Which would have happened if we didn't get a bonus point.
To re-iterate the home draw issue, if Sarries win with a BP they get 68 points, with a 13-2-7 record. If we draw we also have 68 points with a 13-2-7 record. Whatever the sitch with the point deduction, Sarries already have a better match points difference, so they would go above us.
We therefore have to beat Wasps. However, this is all irrelevant as we will surely stuff them! :o)
To re-iterate the home draw issue, if Sarries win with a BP they get 68 points, with a 13-2-7 record. If we draw we also have 68 points with a 13-2-7 record. Whatever the sitch with the point deduction, Sarries already have a better match points difference, so they would go above us.
We therefore have to beat Wasps. However, this is all irrelevant as we will surely stuff them! :o)
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Yeah HCF should be a great game and hopefully with a result that we will be most pleased with but at the moment I am still a little optimistic about just how well we will do with the Guinness Prem, but hey at least a possible two out of three isnt that bad. Althought the treble would be much loved. we shall see whats happens come game day on saturday.
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I didn't see the game or hear the commentary, so I am talking blind here in a way, but I can tell from what has been said on here and the Tigers report that we didn't play at all well although it seems we should have got at least 5 more points with composure and could have got at least a bonus point.
G has a point, to give 18 points away in any game through penalties is unacceptable and we gave Bristol this victory on a plate.
I know that these players hadn't played that much together recently but these are supposed to be good back-up if not challenging on first team players and to put in that sort of performance is simply unacceptable IMO and they have let down any travelling Tigers fans very badly. :mad: :mad:
I hope we do beat Wasps although I am not sure whether it will by a bonus win, but they have left the team facing a big hole if we lose and the thought of potentially losing out on at least a home play=off draw is very upsetting.
This was poor and that team should face a good rollicking. They have let the club down.
The only good thing to come out of it, is that Bristol's win gives them a three point advanatage over Wasps which could be decisive if they get a result against Gloucester although I wouldn't bank on that.
Oh well, there goes the chance of finishing top before the play-offs. I would rather have had that do a Wasps and win through coming second-fourth. That's presuming we get there.
G has a point, to give 18 points away in any game through penalties is unacceptable and we gave Bristol this victory on a plate.
I know that these players hadn't played that much together recently but these are supposed to be good back-up if not challenging on first team players and to put in that sort of performance is simply unacceptable IMO and they have let down any travelling Tigers fans very badly. :mad: :mad:
I hope we do beat Wasps although I am not sure whether it will by a bonus win, but they have left the team facing a big hole if we lose and the thought of potentially losing out on at least a home play=off draw is very upsetting.
This was poor and that team should face a good rollicking. They have let the club down.
The only good thing to come out of it, is that Bristol's win gives them a three point advanatage over Wasps which could be decisive if they get a result against Gloucester although I wouldn't bank on that.
Oh well, there goes the chance of finishing top before the play-offs. I would rather have had that do a Wasps and win through coming second-fourth. That's presuming we get there.
It just seems a bit daft to me that the reward for winnig the edf cup was to have to play this game tonight! Absolute soft, dangly, masculine genitalia ! :evil: :evil: :evil:
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