Team Selection

bc · Post by bc » Sun Sep 24, 2006 12:03 am

After watching the game today I have to question the team selection and therefore the thinking of our coaches.

Why are Tigers persisiting with Louis Deacon in the backrow? He is a great 2nd row but IMO he does not have the pace for backrow. In addition, apart from Moody who continually broke the gain line, Deacon never once broke it ( actually I can't recall him carrying the ball) this means that we are starting matches with a backrow that will struggle to compete at the breakdown.

Just to be clear I am saying play Deacon as a lock but lets stop playing him in the backrow.

Also we really do need a fly-half. It makes me wonder waht Tigers have been doing when other clubs, Newcastle, Quins, Gloucs, Wasps have managed to bring on young English 10s.

unohoo · Post by **unohoo** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 12:04 am

So, bc, which professional clubs have you coached? And how many trophies won? And why do you think you know better than Mr Howard?

bc · Post by bc » Sun Sep 24, 2006 12:08 am

unohoo wrote:So, bc, which professional clubs have you coached? And how many trophies won? And why do you think you know better than Mr Howard?

See my reply to the same crass comment you have posted on the thread!

unohoo · Post by **unohoo** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 12:11 am

Hardly crass. The comments made appear to show a better knowledge of the game and the players than the man they work with every day. Fair questions on that basis.

bc · Post by bc » Sun Sep 24, 2006 12:17 am

unohoo wrote:So, bc, which professional clubs have you coached? And how many trophies won? And why do you think you know better than Mr Howard?

To use your logic - I have never been and MP or governed the country so I shouldn't hold an opinion on that ! I don't think so

unohoo · Post by **unohoo** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 12:45 am

Not true. To use my logic, you can have an opinion on it, but you shouldn't tell them how to do a job they know better than you do.

g · Post by g » Sun Sep 24, 2006 8:24 am

If Howard new how to do his job don't you think he would be doing it properly? Which in my opinion he isn't.

Who's job is it to get the team motivcated? THE COACHES. Whose job is it to get the team playing properly? THE COACHES. Whose job is it to pick the team and play players in their proper positions? THE COACHES.

So far from whats happened in the first 4 games this season the coach has not been doing his job properly. IMO. And I know I'm not a coach. But anyone with at least half a brain can see it is the coaches job to get their players in the right frame of mind to go and win a game and have the right mindset to win that game.

AND IN MY OPINION the coach is not doing his job properly.

Where's me flak jacket?

dailywaffle · Post by **dailywaffle** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 8:24 am

Well, I'm no MP (see above, lets get back to the rugby) ...... but I know Deacon is a better lock than a 6.

Cover for 6 - yes.
Starter at 6 - no.

Also happy to say that IMO Moody is a better 6 than 7.

In other words, I too found the back row selection a little odd.

simon redshaw · Post by **simon redshaw** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 8:30 am

Me too!!

And why didn't Shane get any game time yesterday? Things weren't working perfectly in the forwards and he would have added something different.

kuzza · Post by **kuzza** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 9:11 am

unohoo wrote:So, bc, which professional clubs have you coached? And how many trophies won? And why do you think you know better than Mr Howard?

I do think the real question is how many trophies has coach Howard won? THe uncomfortable answer to that queestion, when he has the resources and players of one of the best clubs in Europe would probably underline why people question his selection,

tigermilo · Post by **tigermilo** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 11:33 am

Remember me? i was picked on last year and last week for saying he has to go! And before G says what do I know, I would point out that I work as a mngt consultant who specialises in training and development. And I have no idea what Pat Howard is doing, and I'm not sure that he does either! The talent within the squad is being wasted week in week out. Last nights team was farcical! Why play Burke, and average journeyman, whats wrong with bringing someone through fro the Ateam? I was there on Monday, and saw how good they were. Where is the motivation for those guys to see others play out of position ahead of them? or average journeymen blocking thier chances? It makes no sense!
I'll repeat what I always say, Howard is a top bloke, really nice guy but NOT a top quality coach!

g · Post by g » Sun Sep 24, 2006 2:20 pm

tigermilo.

I wasn't going to say anything of the sort.

Pat Howards track record as a coach. Clermont Auvergne, mediocre mid table position no trophies won under Howard.

Leicester Tigers since JW has left and been replaced by Howard Tigers are going into a steady decline. Coincidence? I THINK NOT.

Now I'm not calling for the coach to be sacked but surely there is a pattern forming here. Howard was a fantastic player but I don't believe he is coaching material.

We have a great backline if they were being allowed to play but someone somewhere is stifling them. It can't be the board members as I would assume they don't interfere with training sessions so the players are not gettting motivated. So the only other people who could be at fault could be the coaches.

For such a talented backline to be playing poorly somebody is at fault. And IMO that could only mean one person.

Nik · Post by **Nik** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 10:58 pm

i have to agree g............. i've borrowed my hubbies flack jacket but it's only on loan for a couple of weeks before he goes back off to Iraq.

We came second last season, it was a hard slog but the team have gone into decline and i'll keep saying it, there is no team spirit, the team are not gelling at all and it's down to the coaches to sort this pooh out. Unfortunately I don't think our head coach and his side kick seem to be up to the job at the present.

The only time i've seen any passion in Cockers is when he's been arguing with the match officials, I haven't seen ANY passion in Paddy what so ever.

I'm not calling for either of them to go but if they did say they were going I'd hope the Club wouldn't attempt to stop either of them.

It's my opinion and until I see a change on the pitch and sidelines it'll remain so.

simon redshaw · Post by **simon redshaw** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 11:18 pm

Fully agree with you there Nik. Back on your side!! Some blokes can be so fickle!!

Well said, we are in a bad state and your right about lack of passion from Pat and Cockers. I agree that neither are up to the job at the present and we are going to have look for other coaches at some stage.

iceman_19 · Post by **iceman_19** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 12:42 am

Sorry unohoo, only just read your thread. You are talking garbage mate. I can criticise the team selection as much as I ruddy want, I can go on about how I would do it if I were in charge but at the end of the day Pat Howard isnt browsing these message boards and doing everything we say. We aren't saying we know better. we are just showing our opinions.

And I don't see what is so pig headed about asking why an international lock is being played at flanker when we already have several fantastically talented players who have flanker as their natural position.

So loosen up a bit and don't take everything so seriously!