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Re: LEICESTER TIGERS 2021/22 SQUAD/TRANSFERS/CONTRACTS: Steve Borthwick and the Chamber of Oval Park

Post by TigerXV » Wed May 25, 2022 3:06 pm

RagingBull wrote:
Wed May 25, 2022 2:40 pm
So Jed Walsh/Morgan Meredith for Lancaster should I think be a decent cap saving.
agreed, and from what I've seen of Meredith he looks very promising (great to see him featured in recent Tigers training photos, often with GF). Really hope we see him (and Walsh) play in the PLC next season at least

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Re: LEICESTER TIGERS 2021/22 SQUAD/TRANSFERS/CONTRACTS: Steve Borthwick and the Chamber of Oval Park

Post by TigerMac3 » Wed May 25, 2022 5:38 pm

David Douglas-Bridge signs for Ealing. Made a couple of PRC apps for us this season. Good luck to him

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Re: LEICESTER TIGERS 2021/22 SQUAD/TRANSFERS/CONTRACTS: Steve Borthwick and the Chamber of Oval Park

Post by AViewFromLe2 » Wed May 25, 2022 6:20 pm

On the K'poku situation, personally I am not sure if he will come, though I do think he would be a good signing if he did. I guess like others, he would want/need some assurances about the plans for the club if SB does go next summer. That is going to have an impact on our recruitment, that uncertainty. It is a challenge the club is going to have to handle carefully over the next 12 months, as it affects all manner of recruitment decisions.

On Martin, i know a few people have mentioned him as being included in the 2nd row options, and that they want to see him there. The club disagrees - they see him as a 6, and he will be only be training to play there. Unless there is a massive injury crisis, i would be very surprised to see him at second row in a Tigers shirt.

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Re: LEICESTER TIGERS 2021/22 SQUAD/TRANSFERS/CONTRACTS: Steve Borthwick and the Chamber of Oval Park

Post by Rugbygramps » Wed May 25, 2022 6:47 pm

AViewFromLe2 wrote:
Wed May 25, 2022 6:20 pm
On the K'poku situation, personally I am not sure if he will come, though I do think he would be a good signing if he did. I guess like others, he would want/need some assurances about the plans for the club if SB does go next summer. That is going to have an impact on our recruitment, that uncertainty. It is a challenge the club is going to have to handle carefully over the next 12 months, as it affects all manner of recruitment decisions.

On Martin, i know a few people have mentioned him as being included in the 2nd row options, and that they want to see him there. The club disagrees - they see him as a 6, and he will be only be training to play there. Unless there is a massive injury crisis, i would be very surprised to see him at second row in a Tigers shirt.
Re Martin that might mean he has a limited number of starts especially if Liebenberg is skipper next season. Liebenberg on a different level to Martin in the 6 shirt, and if everyone is fit and available first choice back row is Liebenberg, MVS , Wiese with Reffell on the bench.

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Re: LEICESTER TIGERS 2021/22 SQUAD/TRANSFERS/CONTRACTS: Steve Borthwick and the Chamber of Oval Park

Post by Scott1 » Wed May 25, 2022 6:51 pm

Rugbygramps wrote:
Wed May 25, 2022 6:47 pm
AViewFromLe2 wrote:
Wed May 25, 2022 6:20 pm
On the K'poku situation, personally I am not sure if he will come, though I do think he would be a good signing if he did. I guess like others, he would want/need some assurances about the plans for the club if SB does go next summer. That is going to have an impact on our recruitment, that uncertainty. It is a challenge the club is going to have to handle carefully over the next 12 months, as it affects all manner of recruitment decisions.

On Martin, i know a few people have mentioned him as being included in the 2nd row options, and that they want to see him there. The club disagrees - they see him as a 6, and he will be only be training to play there. Unless there is a massive injury crisis, i would be very surprised to see him at second row in a Tigers shirt.
Re Martin that might mean he has a limited number of starts especially if Liebenberg is skipper next season. Liebenberg on a different level to Martin in the 6 shirt, and if everyone is fit and available first choice back row is Liebenberg, MVS , Wiese with Reffell on the bench.
With Liebenberg being able to play 6,7 and 8 and Martin 4,5,6,8 Martin would be the better bench option for me. Although 19.Chessum ,20.Reffell works very well
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Re: LEICESTER TIGERS 2021/22 SQUAD/TRANSFERS/CONTRACTS: Steve Borthwick and the Chamber of Oval Park

Post by RagingBull » Wed May 25, 2022 6:55 pm

As shown multiple times reality is you rarely get the whole back row fit at same time just those type of positions.

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Re: LEICESTER TIGERS 2021/22 SQUAD/TRANSFERS/CONTRACTS: Steve Borthwick and the Chamber of Oval Park

Post by Scott1 » Wed May 25, 2022 6:57 pm

RagingBull wrote:
Wed May 25, 2022 6:55 pm
As shown multiple times reality is you rarely get the whole back row fit at same time just those type of positions.
That's correct ,I'm going on a fully fit back row and then I wouldn't have a specialist 7 on the bench when we have so many other players that can cover so many other positions

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Re: LEICESTER TIGERS 2021/22 SQUAD/TRANSFERS/CONTRACTS: Steve Borthwick and the Chamber of Oval Park

Post by OakhamTiger32 » Wed May 25, 2022 8:29 pm

Scott1 wrote:
Wed May 25, 2022 6:51 pm
Rugbygramps wrote:
Wed May 25, 2022 6:47 pm
AViewFromLe2 wrote:
Wed May 25, 2022 6:20 pm
On the K'poku situation, personally I am not sure if he will come, though I do think he would be a good signing if he did. I guess like others, he would want/need some assurances about the plans for the club if SB does go next summer. That is going to have an impact on our recruitment, that uncertainty. It is a challenge the club is going to have to handle carefully over the next 12 months, as it affects all manner of recruitment decisions.

On Martin, i know a few people have mentioned him as being included in the 2nd row options, and that they want to see him there. The club disagrees - they see him as a 6, and he will be only be training to play there. Unless there is a massive injury crisis, i would be very surprised to see him at second row in a Tigers shirt.
Re Martin that might mean he has a limited number of starts especially if Liebenberg is skipper next season. Liebenberg on a different level to Martin in the 6 shirt, and if everyone is fit and available first choice back row is Liebenberg, MVS , Wiese with Reffell on the bench.
With Liebenberg being able to play 6,7 and 8 and Martin 4,5,6,8 Martin would be the better bench option for me. Although 19.Chessum ,20.Reffell works very well
Looking at the stats Hanro has played 20 games so far this season for us! He has started at 8 5 times in Wiese's absence and has started at 7 4 times. His favoured position though is 6 where he has started 9 times. The other 2 matches he was on the bench.

His career stats are:

Occupied positions by Hanro on start team :
Back Row : 90 times ( Number 8 40%, Blindside Flanker 31%, Openside Flanker 24% )
Lock : 4 times ( Lock #4 4% )

I think during the early stages of the season with Wiese and MVS away we will likely see:

4. Wells
5. Green
6. Martin
7. Reffell
8 Liebenberg
19. Snyman/Henderson
20. Chessum

When the SA Internationals return I think we will revert to:

4. Chessum
5. Wells
6. Liebenberg
7. MVS
8.Wiese
19. Snyman/Green/Henderson
20. Martin

That is assuming Martin/Chessum aren't called up to the England squad and Reffell isn't called up to the Wales squad.. if they are then we are looking at something like:

4. Snyman
5. Green
6. Liebenberg
7. Ilione
8. Jansen
19. Henderson
20. Wells

Lots of depth although losing Chessum, Martin, Reffell, MVS and Wiese would hurt! We are very lucky Hanro is available all season as he is so versatile playing anywhere from 4-8.
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Re: LEICESTER TIGERS 2021/22 SQUAD/TRANSFERS/CONTRACTS: Steve Borthwick and the Chamber of Oval Park

Post by TigerFeetSteve » Wed May 25, 2022 8:42 pm

OakhamTiger32 wrote:
Wed May 25, 2022 8:29 pm
Scott1 wrote:
Wed May 25, 2022 6:51 pm
Rugbygramps wrote:
Wed May 25, 2022 6:47 pm


Re Martin that might mean he has a limited number of starts especially if Liebenberg is skipper next season. Liebenberg on a different level to Martin in the 6 shirt, and if everyone is fit and available first choice back row is Liebenberg, MVS , Wiese with Reffell on the bench.
With Liebenberg being able to play 6,7 and 8 and Martin 4,5,6,8 Martin would be the better bench option for me. Although 19.Chessum ,20.Reffell works very well
Looking at the stats Hanro has played 20 games so far this season for us! He has started at 8 5 times in Wiese's absence and has started at 7 4 times. His favoured position though is 6 where he has started 9 times. The other 2 matches he was on the bench.

His career stats are:

Occupied positions by Hanro on start team :
Back Row : 90 times ( Number 8 40%, Blindside Flanker 31%, Openside Flanker 24% )
Lock : 4 times ( Lock #4 4% )

I think during the early stages of the season with Wiese and MVS away we will likely see:

4. Wells
5. Green
6. Martin
7. Reffell
8 Liebenberg
19. Snyman/Henderson
20. Chessum

When the SA Internationals return I think we will revert to:

4. Chessum
5. Wells
6. Liebenberg
7. MVS
8.Wiese
19. Snyman/Green/Henderson
20. Martin

That is assuming Martin/Chessum aren't called up to the England squad and Reffell isn't called up to the Wales squad.. if they are then we are looking at something like:

4. Snyman
5. Green
6. Liebenberg
7. Ilione
8. Jansen
19. Henderson
20. Wells

Lots of depth although losing Chessum, Martin, Reffell, MVS and Wiese would hurt! We are very lucky Hanro is available all season as he is so versatile playing anywhere from 4-8.
You forgot Cracknell... Plus let's not forget Henderson prior to injury had been in the Scotland squad so can't rule out a call up for him if he starts on fire for the season

So the it would be absolute worst case call up senario

4. Wells
5. Snyman
6. Cracknell
7. Liebenberg
8. Jansen
19. Green
20. Ilione
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Re: LEICESTER TIGERS 2021/22 SQUAD/TRANSFERS/CONTRACTS: Steve Borthwick and the Chamber of Oval Park

Post by OakhamTiger32 » Wed May 25, 2022 8:47 pm

TigerFeetSteve wrote:
Wed May 25, 2022 8:42 pm
OakhamTiger32 wrote:
Wed May 25, 2022 8:29 pm
Scott1 wrote:
Wed May 25, 2022 6:51 pm


With Liebenberg being able to play 6,7 and 8 and Martin 4,5,6,8 Martin would be the better bench option for me. Although 19.Chessum ,20.Reffell works very well
Looking at the stats Hanro has played 20 games so far this season for us! He has started at 8 5 times in Wiese's absence and has started at 7 4 times. His favoured position though is 6 where he has started 9 times. The other 2 matches he was on the bench.

His career stats are:

Occupied positions by Hanro on start team :
Back Row : 90 times ( Number 8 40%, Blindside Flanker 31%, Openside Flanker 24% )
Lock : 4 times ( Lock #4 4% )

I think during the early stages of the season with Wiese and MVS away we will likely see:

4. Wells
5. Green
6. Martin
7. Reffell
8 Liebenberg
19. Snyman/Henderson
20. Chessum

When the SA Internationals return I think we will revert to:

4. Chessum
5. Wells
6. Liebenberg
7. MVS
8.Wiese
19. Snyman/Green/Henderson
20. Martin

That is assuming Martin/Chessum aren't called up to the England squad and Reffell isn't called up to the Wales squad.. if they are then we are looking at something like:

4. Snyman
5. Green
6. Liebenberg
7. Ilione
8. Jansen
19. Henderson
20. Wells

Lots of depth although losing Chessum, Martin, Reffell, MVS and Wiese would hurt! We are very lucky Hanro is available all season as he is so versatile playing anywhere from 4-8.
You forgot Cracknell... Plus let's not forget Henderson prior to injury had been in the Scotland squad so can't rule out a call up for him if he starts on fire for the season

So the it would be absolute worst case call up senario

4. Wells
5. Snyman
6. Cracknell
7. Liebenberg
8. Jansen
19. Green
20. Ilione
Ahh yes good point. Looks good hey
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Re: LEICESTER TIGERS 2021/22 SQUAD/TRANSFERS/CONTRACTS: Steve Borthwick and the Chamber of Oval Park

Post by sk 88 » Wed May 25, 2022 8:47 pm

RagingBull wrote:
Wed May 25, 2022 2:40 pm
So Jed Walsh/Morgan Meredith for Lancaster should I think be a decent cap saving.
Lancaster would only have been in the "academy cap" not the main one, and Jed Walsh similarly. Meredith will not be in the cap at all (unless we are really paying teenagers over £50k straight out of school!)
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Re: LEICESTER TIGERS 2021/22 SQUAD/TRANSFERS/CONTRACTS: Steve Borthwick and the Chamber of Oval Park

Post by TigerFeetSteve » Wed May 25, 2022 9:18 pm

sk 88 wrote:
Wed May 25, 2022 8:47 pm
RagingBull wrote:
Wed May 25, 2022 2:40 pm
So Jed Walsh/Morgan Meredith for Lancaster should I think be a decent cap saving.
Lancaster would only have been in the "academy cap" not the main one, and Jed Walsh similarly. Meredith will not be in the cap at all (unless we are really paying teenagers over £50k straight out of school!)
I'm not claiming to be an expert at all, but when Lancaster joined us he joined direct into the Senior squad, NOT the senior academy squad.

Now I may be wrong but to me that suggests he was not in the academy cap, and instead is in the main cap.

Walsh on the other hand was signed into the Senior Academy squad, and Meredith (when the club confirms Academy promotions) will be in the senior academy squad too.


Notably Agbongbon was the other outlier who is listed as being in the Senior squad, when in reality you'd expect them to be in the Senior Academy squad, and it was pointed out he's added his highlights reel to YouTube (which can often be a sign they're advertising for a new club)

Now it may be wrong, but if there's some weird quirk in the rules that forced their wages to be in the senior squad it could explain why they're not being held on to as tightly as others?
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Post by Scott1 » Wed May 25, 2022 10:09 pm

Incredible depth!

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Re: LEICESTER TIGERS 2021/22 SQUAD/TRANSFERS/CONTRACTS: Steve Borthwick and the Chamber of Oval Park

Post by TigerFeetSteve » Thu May 26, 2022 7:45 am

Last Thursday on a bye week was a big popcorn 🍿 day.

What do we think, Leavers, Academy promotions, Odaise, more renewals and a couple of really under the radar signings?

Or am I being greedy?
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Post by RunTigerRun » Thu May 26, 2022 9:01 am

TigerFeetSteve wrote:
Thu May 26, 2022 7:45 am
Last Thursday on a bye week was a big popcorn 🍿 day.

What do we think, Leavers, Academy promotions, Odaise, more renewals and a couple of really under the radar signings?

Or am I being greedy?
I’m hoping a leavers list will be announced and then perhaps academy promotions - perhaps an 11/11:30 and 12:00 bit of news?

Would be nice to know the leavers before the final regular home game of the season.

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